While I am not quite to 40 yet on rdm, after reading someone complain about "having" to cast "such and such" spell, I just had to speak my mind...
The party expects you to pull your own wieght, as they do from all jobs. Protect, shell, haste, regen, etc, these spells get constantly cast by one party member on another. Why? Because certain spells are expected to be cast on the tank, just like certain spells need to be cast on the mages, etc. If you have refresh (and you should have it on yourself constantly), then why not cast it on others? At least the pld and main healer? I mean a party is supposed to support itself so that all members can do the best job possible for less downtime and more exp. (Unless your doing a mission party, etc) Don't just tell a party to ****-off when they start asking for refresh. Just be sure to let them know about recast and your other duties in the party.
Anyway, if you are going to complain about any party member asking for any spell...stfu and don't join a party. Just solo. I enjoy being able to buff party members...sort of like a bodybuilder flexing. It's like, "Yeah, let me just cast this on you, and this...and this too." And then I just go down the line buffing everyone up. Even if they don't really need it. LOL. I do it because I can and because I want the party members to know I am going to do whatever I can to help us achieve optimal battle flow. Whether its enfeebling or healing or whatever.
I'm sure I learn more and different things as I play and level. If you look at my sig you'll see I do a bit of playing. I am rather new coming back to game after a couple years...lots of changes. But overall I've always enjoyed helping others and being in a party. When I get to 40 and someone asks me for refresh, it will just depend on where we're at, which is how I approach any situation. If we're taking a bit of a break, I would probably tell them I'll refresh them when we get ready to go again. Or maybe cast it to shorten downtime. Just depends. The bottom line is that you just tell anyone "no" or "f#$k y*@". Just be open and honest and tell them what your opinion is. I have been found to be correct and had people apologize, just as I have been wrong and apologized. It's called "communication". Try it some time instead of whining and crying and give other rdm's a bad name.
Spell details for Refresh
| Jobs/Level: | Red Mage, lvl 41 Rune Fencer, lvl 62 |
|---|---|
| MP cost: | 40 |
| Element: | Water |
| Scroll: | Scroll of Refresh |
| Duration: | 150 Second |
| Reuse: | 20 Seconds |
| Cast time: | 5 seconds |
| Target Type: | Party Member |
| Description: | Gradually restores target's MP. |
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Okay a few words of advice first of all if you want to own up to that name STOP WITH THE STUPID SUB COMBOS. Also it is your job to refresh so if you tell everyone to F@#$ off every time they ask you then you might as well just not be a RDM or F@!$ off your self.
(: I realy hate stupid people like you
(: I realy hate stupid people like you
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After redmage get to level 41 they wont have mp issues anymore so they can potentially sub anything they feel like and still be useful.
/blm is the no duh sub for rdm since Int helps your debuff spells.
/whm if you wanna get stuck as main healer and NOT do your redmage duties.
/blu sounds like a good idea, but haven't tried it yet.
All of you RDM out there that sub /war, /thf ... those are for soloing and farming ... unless your a taru and your melee is so worthless that you need the boost.
I can see the fun factor of /nin, like warrior merely for soloing unless you have an Excalibur and a Ridill *drools*
Personally I HATE downtime, so when I hit level 50 I plan on subing SMN all the way to 75 just for auto refresh. Since auto-refresh and spell refresh stack for a total of 4mp/3s.
Edited, Jul 17th 2008 4:40pm by Dumgui
/blm is the no duh sub for rdm since Int helps your debuff spells.
/whm if you wanna get stuck as main healer and NOT do your redmage duties.
/blu sounds like a good idea, but haven't tried it yet.
All of you RDM out there that sub /war, /thf ... those are for soloing and farming ... unless your a taru and your melee is so worthless that you need the boost.
I can see the fun factor of /nin, like warrior merely for soloing unless you have an Excalibur and a Ridill *drools*
Personally I HATE downtime, so when I hit level 50 I plan on subing SMN all the way to 75 just for auto refresh. Since auto-refresh and spell refresh stack for a total of 4mp/3s.
Edited, Jul 17th 2008 4:40pm by Dumgui
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I can't wait till i get this^^!!!!
Scholar
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Say that after your first few parties main-healing with 4 ppl that expect refresh on top of haste and curing ; ;
im so happy i got this
Read again it restores 3mp each 3 seconds not 1mp each 3 seconds.
So 3mp each 3 seconds is still 1mp/sec so it heals 150 mp over 2.5 min and it cost 40mp.
So 3mp each 3 seconds is still 1mp/sec so it heals 150 mp over 2.5 min and it cost 40mp.
So refresh restores 50MP over two and a half minutes. AIt costs 40 MP to begin with.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Apr 03 2006 at 12:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok i just got this spell and all the PTs ive been in soo far are like refresh plz like every time it runs out... i like fighting. i am a honerary RDM/DRK and i try to enfeable and fight and then ppl yell at me for several thing.
You SHOULD sub whm or blm. Drk is NOT useful sub at your level, period.
If someone asks for refresh, give it to them last. And how can you not have enough mp? Oh wait, it's because you're subbing drk. Do the players on your server a favor and sub whm or blm. Youg ive redmages a bad name.
Oh, and before you say "It's my $12.95 a month!", well, it's their $64.95. GO SUB SOMETHING USEFUL.
Btw, I don't see how 1k is overpriced. If 1k is expensive to you, then you obviously do no play this game.
If someone asks for refresh, give it to them last. And how can you not have enough mp? Oh wait, it's because you're subbing drk. Do the players on your server a favor and sub whm or blm. Youg ive redmages a bad name.
Oh, and before you say "It's my $12.95 a month!", well, it's their $64.95. GO SUB SOMETHING USEFUL.
Btw, I don't see how 1k is overpriced. If 1k is expensive to you, then you obviously do no play this game.
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I like Refrsh and all but usually get alot of "Refresh me please" it gets annoying but i noe i need to do it so i just go along
Bought refresh for 2K on siren
Bought refresh for 2K on siren
Refresh has been going at a steady rate of 1k in Ragnarok. Pretty cheap for a sweet spell.
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I heard that thats all redmages are used for is refresh in partys what the heck is it true or not and if it is true ITS CRAP!! not refresh refresh is cool but the partys are CRAP!! thank you
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When was the last time you looked in a grammer book?
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Probably about the same time you looked at a 'speeling' book. It's grammAr. :P
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Okay, I understood the first statement, but the second statement throws me off.
Yes, Refresh is not ALL the RDM's are used for post-41. We're also used to debuff, dispel, and magic burst, backup healing whatever. We're there to make EXP Chains go smoother ^_^
"not refresh refresh is cool but the partys are crap". What do you mean by this? I am confused.
Yes, Refresh is not ALL the RDM's are used for post-41. We're also used to debuff, dispel, and magic burst, backup healing whatever. We're there to make EXP Chains go smoother ^_^
"not refresh refresh is cool but the partys are crap". What do you mean by this? I am confused.
LOL Ok listen to me i am a 41 rdm/20 nin an when i join a prty an all they want from me is refresh i get realy mad an tell them to F@#K OFF an disband luckly to say I only had to do it once an i realy just level with my linkshell since we are all in the 40s pluse so im real happy bout that.
Shua 41rdm/20nin
I may be a rdm but i dont heal unless an emergency.
Asura server
Primavista Linkshell.
Shua 41rdm/20nin
I may be a rdm but i dont heal unless an emergency.
Asura server
Primavista Linkshell.
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Why hate party members when they ask for refresh? When you exp with party that is the role you got to take. I am red mage 70 and members asking for refresh so I just give it to them.
I find that red mage sub bard is the best in exp party. Unlimited Dispel song and Refresh song is the bomb in mana burn party.
If red mage didn't have refresh or dispel or even haste then please NEVER level red mage, you just only give all red mages bad name.
Red Mage sub Ninja ONLY good for soloing. It is totally useless in exp party period. Only sub rdm/nin if tanker SUCK at tanking. I party alot and encounter rdm/nin only once.
I find that red mage sub bard is the best in exp party. Unlimited Dispel song and Refresh song is the bomb in mana burn party.
If red mage didn't have refresh or dispel or even haste then please NEVER level red mage, you just only give all red mages bad name.
Red Mage sub Ninja ONLY good for soloing. It is totally useless in exp party period. Only sub rdm/nin if tanker SUCK at tanking. I party alot and encounter rdm/nin only once.
Scholar
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41rdm/20ninja? >_> usefull if your soloing. And like the gentleman said before, we red mages arnt ONLY for refresh, but it is a HUGE part of our job. If you cant stand refreshing, find another job. And the ninja sub still makes me chuckle. Are you still meleeing? *cackles* are you wearing non-mage armor?
Alright sorry, usually I'm not one to critique others playing style. But come on, If your gona play, know your job. Refresh, enfeeble, haste, cuddle up in the back row with the other mages, get yourself some magic gear, and get a subjob that helps your MP and casting abalities. Its a red MAGE, not a red warrior.
Alright sorry, usually I'm not one to critique others playing style. But come on, If your gona play, know your job. Refresh, enfeeble, haste, cuddle up in the back row with the other mages, get yourself some magic gear, and get a subjob that helps your MP and casting abalities. Its a red MAGE, not a red warrior.
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I take great exception to the concept that we're supposed to "cuddle up to the other mages". We're meant to melee. Why the hell do you think we have the En spells and Spikes? We were designed to be mages that can melee. My husband and I both play RDM & the fastest we might drop a party is if they demand we hide in the back & just cast spells. We may be backup healers, when needed, we debuff, as needed. But we do NOT hide. We fight, right up in the enemy's face, as we should. Problems with parties have many times led to us either soloing or partied only with eachother. I know everyone has their own opinion & it is up to each individual to decide how they might wish to play their char. But saying that ignoring half the skills of your job is the only way to play it? That, my friend, is ridiculous.
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Like your name though. Numberonerdm. You are far from that, my friend.
I think it was "Not refresh, refresh is cool, but the parties are crap."
Thus, "Refresh is a good spell, but the parties that complain are bad."
Thus, "Refresh is a good spell, but the parties that complain are bad."
I'm wondering if your Enhancing Skill affects this spell? I know it helps some enhancing spells but I'm thinking it doesn't help all of them as one gets older. Anyone know how the enhancing skill and refresh relate (if at all)?
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They do no seem to relate. it was always 150mp for me
Scholar
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Refresh takes around 5 secounds to cast, it's not instant.
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I know this doesn't stack with juice but does it stack with food that gives +mp regen during resting? i.e. roast mushrooms
Yes, it does stack with foods like that, as they give a food effect, not an MP recovery effect.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 20 2004 at 3:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) sorry but this is bs. The only cosumable that gives refresh is drinks and they give refresh effect with the refresh symbol NOT a food effect symbol.
Erm, no... he's right. The original poster was talking about food that gives +MP Recovery (like roast mushrooms) not Refresh effect (like juices). Mushrooms and Refresh stack.
I would think a lvl 55 WHM and 45 BLM would know the difference...
I would think a lvl 55 WHM and 45 BLM would know the difference...
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For some reason, when I first came here, none of these posts were visible. I looked at other places and they had posts, but not here. And I wasn't looking at the scroll either. When I posted, however, all the posts showed up. Weird.
Anyway, I read through the posts and one said that the effectiveness of Regen and Refresh does not change. Many posts also agreed with my previous post. So, why is the description of this spell still wrong??
Anyway, I read through the posts and one said that the effectiveness of Regen and Refresh does not change. Many posts also agreed with my previous post. So, why is the description of this spell still wrong??
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The first time I was able to use this spell at lvl 41 as Elvaan RDM/WHM, it regenerated 3 MP every 3 seconds and lasted 150 seconds (2.5 minutes). It would make sense that this enhancement spell would work better over time, but this is when I first got it. The description here (2 MP every 3 seconds for 120 seconds) would only generate 80 MP, which is only 40 MP over the casting cost. For me when I first learned it, it generated 150 MP (1 MP for every second it lasted) which is 110 MP over the casting cost.
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it does 3 mp/ 3 Secs
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I got this spell for 4k on Alexander!!! how badass!!!!!. lucky last one in stock and i check again a week later 25k wow =)
Scholar
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Yeah i got it for 4k in jeuno also. i havent checke d to see whats its at now but i still got a while to go b4 i can use it
Here is a great guide on what refresh does. It's mostly an etiquette guide/rant, but it describes pratical usage beautifully.
Refresh etiquette
Refresh etiquette
I have to say this spell is awesome
Life before Refresh: 1 maybe 2 chains in Crawler's Nest before resting.
Life after Refresh: 4 to 5 chains before resting,and not resting to regain mp, just to catch our breath!
Truly awesome addition to the Red Mage repertoire
Life before Refresh: 1 maybe 2 chains in Crawler's Nest before resting.
Life after Refresh: 4 to 5 chains before resting,and not resting to regain mp, just to catch our breath!
Truly awesome addition to the Red Mage repertoire
Hmm I wonder if it can be stacked with one of those cloaks you wear that gives auto refresh + Mage's Ballad and Summoner's auto refresh + refresh. That be like about 6 something mp per tick?
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It does stack. But remember that SMN Auto-Refresh only gives 1 mp per tick.
Anonymous
In a lv. 55 pt, you can have up to 7mp / tick.
RDM/SMN (refresh - 3/tick) (auto refresh - 1/tick)
BRD/??? (mages ballard - 1/tick) (Mballard2 - 2/tick)
drinks dont stack with RDM refresh
RDM/SMN (refresh - 3/tick) (auto refresh - 1/tick)
BRD/??? (mages ballard - 1/tick) (Mballard2 - 2/tick)
drinks dont stack with RDM refresh
I got this just last night and I have to say it's the sickest spell in the game (atleast up to my level). Before getting the spell our party was sitting out waiting to refresh mp/hp; our chains consisted of 1 maybe 2... After I got Refresh, though, everything changed. We were getting chains of up to 4 and 5, non-stop crazy-sick insane ... Oh, and for the first time I was actually able to bring up my TP and use Weapon Skillz... when has your mage used a weapon skill lately? There are no words to describe this. I was cracking up in my chair from what I was seeing. I was enfeebling and my mp was ready for another full enfeebling (Slow, Gravity, Paralyze) by the end of the current mob. As one of my party members commented... it is a mage's caffeine. I'm no addicted to the stuff.
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It is 3 MP every 3 seconds, for 150 seconds. As of this writing the site's info of 2 MP/3 seconds for 2 minutes is wrong.
As with Regen, Enhancing Skill is irrelevant -- it will always give 3 MP every 3 seconds, for 150 seconds.
Yes, it stacks with Mage's Ballad and SMN Auto Refresh.
No, it does not stack with Juice.
As with Regen, Enhancing Skill is irrelevant -- it will always give 3 MP every 3 seconds, for 150 seconds.
Yes, it stacks with Mage's Ballad and SMN Auto Refresh.
No, it does not stack with Juice.
Anonymous
lol so sad, as it has been posted numerous times it BCNM stands for Burning Circle Notorious Monster.
Some say Beast Coin Notorious Monster, even though Beast Seals are used, not coins... same idea tho.
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and they'd also be wrong
3 mp every 3 seconds is more what it's like, and it seems to last 150 mp for me, so that would be 2 1/2 minutes. I haven't done a recount in a couple of lvls, but I'm lv 54 red mage and have around 160 enhancing skill.
Anonymous
it said 2 mp every 3 seconds but my friend told me it was 3, can anyone clarify this?
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This spell seems to regain 3mp every 2 seconds. And I haven't timed it, but if it is indeed 2 minutes, then that means 180mp regained??
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