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Vana'diel Bestiary: Absolute Virtue  

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Found at Location:K - 12
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Grants Title:Virtuous Saint
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Updated: Thu Jul 9 15:57:15 2009

Absolute Virtue Picture

Spawns after defeating the Jailer of Love.

At lassst the time has come...

The ssscattered fragments of my thoughtsss once again mine. Long forgotten memoriesss filling me once more...

However... these memories generate sssuffering... These thoughtsss... bring remorssse...

Tell me... for what sssearcheth thou, to travel this far? Show me... by what principlesss art thou driven?

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Ever think of this? 'Back to the Basics' sound familar?
# Sep 12 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm... curious about this one. I've heard rumors and all sorts of theories. I've watched most of the video footage available. I see one thing quite common.

Everything being used is advanced tactics.

Not so much the simple stuff. Honestly, think about it. 'Principles' are often a fancy way of refering to basics. All the 'advanced' tactics are based on the basic ones you learn early on in the game. A different way of explaining it? I'll put it like I did to someone who was the target of my rant about the basics of fighting and using thier past in the martial arts to link it... (They had never played the game)

You know using the advanced attacks and blocks can often your rear handed to you, right? You do something too fancy at the wrong time and you're going to get your *** kicked. Point blank. But, if you stick to the basics, and just going for a straight beating instead of trying some fancy crap, you often times win, right? My point made.

Get the picture? This tid-bit occured to me when I realized my original theory reflected a basic party set up in a few ways. Namely, this...

Jobs - Basic Party/Alliance
Mages - 2/6
DDs and Defenders - 2/6
Tank(s) and Other - 2/6

(Alright, so that little graph list sucks royally but whatever, it gets my point across hopefully.)
That being said, the original idea that, quite literally, popped into my head as I woke up, was this...

Job - # of
(group 1)
Thief - 4
Dancer - 2
(group 2)
Samurai - 3
Paladin - 3
(group 3)
Red Mage - 2
White Mage - 2
Black Mage - 2

Simple. In theory, very effective. I have never fought AV. I have read accounts on the battles and read all sorts of off the wall stratagies. My little idea? (Discussed this with my LS leader and another 75...)

Keep one of each of the three mages on each side of the alliance; one RDM, BLM, and WHM on each end, but keep their distance, like any good non-melee mage should. 2 THFs SATA off the DNC- a self sustaining class if geared right and with a capable player behind the controls- to grab the hate quickly, and WS to add a bit more damage and hate later on, and keep it with the DNCs, SAMs, PLDs, and BLM. Keep the hate on one end of the alliance while the other builds TP through regular auto-attacks and Meditate or rests for mp. Then, when one side is ready to 'open the gates to ****', as I mentally refered to it, and the other has taken enough of a beating, switch it. The other 2 THFs SATA off the second DNC, which should be BEHIND AV and directly across from the other, and the SAMs and PLDs let loose Provoke and WSs, the BLM start spamming spells and whatever else they need to in order to get the hate on their side and keep it. The WHM on the first side focus on curing their half of the alliance, RDM help them if MP permits. RDM should be keeping buffs up and back-up healing in this set up. WHM on the second side should be curing as you go along, making sure no one dies while side 1 recovers and then rinse and repeat this pattern until you see '(insert player name) defeats Absolute Virtue' roll across your log. Keep your buffs up, your eyes open, 2 hour only when needed to make sure you survive and make use of what your class gives you. Don't try some fancy 'trade this and this' or 'this and this weakens him if you wear it/defeat it'. Treat it like what it is, a regular mob on steroids...

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Edited, Sep 12th 2009 10:04pm by Kiayashi
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# Feb 10 2009 at 12:32 PM Rating: Default
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1/14 on this guy
Long time fight
# Nov 28 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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As ive said before... 99% of the FFXI community will disagree with me on this deliberation...and thats perfectly fine. it makes my point all the more valid IF my wish were to come true. the 1% of FFXI will understand what im talking about, but for the rest of you... work with me to understand this. (not agree, i know no one will agree) There are events in the game that "seperate the chumps from the champs", right? EXAMPLES: sky, sea, HNMs, ZNMs, etc, etc. ok, that much is obvious. within that category of champs, there are things that happen that seperate the champs from the super elite champs. then inside the super elite champ category there is even more prestigious stuff to set you apart from the rest. now continue that chain for a little while and eventually you have a very very difficult fight on your hands. at this point, a fight length of that magnitude is setting you one step up from the super ultimate mega awesome champs of the galaxy. if/when u finally win that fight, you are the ONLY 18ish people in the EARTH WORLD to have EVER beat this mob, AND wear the gear. THAT, my friends, is what that 1% wants. THAT is what FFXI needs at least ONE NM to be like.
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Aug 22 2008 at 9:18 AM Rating: Default
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W...T...F... FFXI HAS BENT TO THE WILL OF THE WUSSIES ENOUGH!!! DYNAMIS, EINHERJAR, ZNM, COP!!!! YOU CANT TAKE ABSOLUTE VIRTUE FROM US!!! SE HAS GOT TO LEAVE THE ULTIMATE CHALLENGE!! I REALIZE THAT EVEN WITH W/E CHANGES THEY MAKE TO ABSOLUTE VIRTUE, HE WILL STILL BE SUPER CRAZY TOUGH AND WHATNOT... BUT HONESTLY, KEEP HIM AS DIFFICULT AS HE IS! 18 HOUR FIGHT IS WHAT WE NEED! (and everyone who says "nah, he's too difficult, lower him. he's too hard. it's not fair" they can all go to **** cuz obviously, AV is not their thing.
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Aug 24 2008 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
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18+HR fight!? Some people have a life outside FFXI.
Considering AV has been in the game for years... and the vast majority of the fanbase still can't figure out how to beat this F****R -Even after SE revealed 'hints' on how to beat it. AV should be adjusted from being Impossible, to EXTREMELY challenging.

but hey if you really want to spend 18+HRs of your life 'Attempting' to defeat AV. Go right ahead. What will likely happen(if your successful)get 17hrs into the fight, then AV does Manafont/Meteor. --Fight over.
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Sep 23 2008 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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To quote... "Considering AV has been in the game for years... and the vast majority of the fanbase still can't figure out how to beat this F****R -Even after SE revealed 'hints' on how to beat it." This fact will make a legitimate kill all the more rare and exceptional... there are some of us who were looking forward to accepting this challenge. (throwing kraken club drks (while the gear and the sheer number of them is awesome and expensive and ****) is not very impressive. now, "hey we killed Absolute Virtue" "...so...? my 2 year old nephew killed him too..."
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Sep 16 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Default
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I do indeed see and understand what you mean, Ninjainferno... however, this fact cannot be denied: all gear that is considered "rare" (as in, there arent that many of them) have a few brothers and sisters. by this, i mean that there are a few of each piece that we consider rare in existance. for the very very very very very few of us who would actually be willing to dedicate so much as 18 hours towards a fight for some stupendous gear, the reward of receiving a piece of gear that may only exist in one place (you) is the ultimate pay off. like i always say, an 18 hour fight (or any fight of that ridiculous length) would not be for everyone. i can guarantee there are only a few ppl per server who are actually up for the challenge. so for those select few, FFXI needs something reeeealy long and ardurous for them. basically, im looking for something that when it is beaten, those ppls names will go into history as the only ppl to have done such a thing... LITERALLY the ONLY ppl to have done it.
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Oct 30 2008 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
I agree. The 18 hour fight is meaningful. Obviously, AV ungimped is beatable, but it's just a mob sittin on a far away map corner somewhere. Just because some people don't want to spend 18 hours fighting it just to die, and attempt that 18 hour fight dozens of times before getting an incredibly awesome item and the only one of its kind, doesn't mean AV should be gimped.
"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Dec 05 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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No, the fight is not meaningful. Nor is it alright. When players have had 4 years to beat thier head on this guy and none of us can understand the mechanics, something is wrong. He's never been legitimately killed. Only through bugs, exploits, and mechanics abuse.

Those of you saying it's for the be-all-end-all group, you've never actually fought him have you? I have. ***** AV, ***** him in his *** ***. AV and PW are not good NM design. PW is at least interesting in concept if they'd tone down the sheer number of forms and make it only do X amount of them, like 1 random one from each group, then the fight. So far there is no bragging rights in AV because there is no skill involved. FFXI doesn't even require a huge abundance of skill to play, and this fight doesn't even tap any of it.

This fight and PW were the whole reason I bailed after so much time invested on FFXI, it's just not worth doing anymore. SE has the worst customer relations known to man, and constantly spits in the face of it's playerbase. I hate to say it, but at least Blizzard understands thier users and knows what encounter design is.
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"Regarding Notorious Monsters"
# Nov 26 2008 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Before the AV was lowered, he was beaten before.
AV has been beaten with and without the wall glitch by Apathy.

Also, if you wanna play 18+ hours of fighting, try Pandemonium Warden, go have fun
When you start coughing up blood due to lack of rest and lack of food, tell me.
Become a cartman and become fat and click a button to tell your mom that you gotta ****.

Put it on youtube, I'd love it.
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Strategy?
# Aug 23 2008 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Absolute Virtue:
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"At lassst the time has come...

The ssscattered fragments of my thoughtsss once again mine. Long forgotten memoriesss filling me once more...

However... these memories generate sssuffering... These thoughtsss... bring remorssse...

Tell me... for what sssearcheth thou, to travel this far? Show me... by what principlesss art thou driven?"



It just seems to me the Weapons dropped by the Jailers are the key to victory against AV. Think about it for a sec... those weapons are 100% drops, where else in the game are NM's (that are in relation to High/pop NM's) that have 100% drop rate?

Is it possible that the "principles" AV refers to are the Weapons (Virtues)? (Temperence, Love, Faith etc...)
Is it possible that players need to USE those weapons against AV (AV: Show me...)
Is it possible that SE's hint via the video clip was showing us that our 2hrs are not the "principles" we are driven by, maybe they were just dumping thier 2hrs? (the video never really showed anyone effectively using those 2hrs)

I know this is a speculation, but hey to me it seems like a good path to start on. I doubt anyone has actually even used ALL of those weapons on AV (the rod comes to mind cause no Mage able to use it technically melees)

One thought is maybe there needs to be a succession in use, i.e. the first weapon used (with a WS or something) in conjunction to the first virtue recieved, and so on.
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# Jul 16 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Bored a few days ago I thought I'd take another good look at the video maybe to see if things were missed during the hype of it.

We know how to stop the regen kill JoL pets and cast right nuke on right right day.(I remember someone saying casting wrong day nuke may trigger Medusa Javelin, never confirmed myself though)

I noticed 2 things

1) Everyone says the 2 hours aren't predictable yet somehow one Paladin always got Invincible off before AV inta-casted. So I took a look at fight without paying much attention to log and everytime AV was about to 2hour he caused an AOE sandwhirlwind animation on the ground, before the use of the 2 hour was even announced. (Save the first Invincible which I am guessing he mistaked stoneskin for the whirlwind)

2) In all the chains 2hour chains except the last (it might have something to do with call wyvern though sinc eit doesnt count as a 2hour for us anymore). They always Tried to Sandwich i know that sounds strange but during the SOul Voice the 2 bards Soul Voiced at the end. Same with Chainspell. Call Wyvern they did use it but the others to use 2 hour were slow for some reason and weren't caught in the sandwich.


It's just a thought but could a Sandwich be the key to AV -.-

I just started playing again I cant actually test this myself since I deleted my character when i had "quit".

Av 2hring
# May 16 2008 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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From the looks of the video i don't think its av reseting people's 2hrs i think its more along the lines if someone's 2hr is up then AV can also use 2hr whenever it wants. I belive thats why when av used a 2hr they all spamed theirs so he couldn't use 2hr again for another 2 hours.
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# May 12 2008 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok. I honestly kinda don't think that he resets 2hr. If you look at the day on the clock thing or whatever you want to call it, the day has changed EACH time they zoomed in on the 2 hours. Now I don't know if all those days were 2 apart which would allow the time needed for 2 hours to cool down or not. And even if they had that would mean it was a 6 hour fight, so maybe he does reset 2 hours. And we don't even know for sure if that was the same fight in each of the videos. I noticed he never Meteored when he chainspelled. Maybe The 2 hours prevent him from using certain things? I am just rambling. But at this point I have heard no testimonies about personal accounts after the Video release. If anyone has some posting them would be great.
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Tested Theory
# Mar 27 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Default
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Has anyone tested the 2-hour theory. If not then we should because thats the only way we will get concrete results
2 Hours Restored Theory
# Feb 13 2008 at 10:54 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not sure if it actually stops his 2hour. But in the video it does show that somehow they are getting their 2hour back. So rationally if you are fighting a mob that reduces your 2hour ability timer to 0, the fight would go like this.

Engage Mob -
Burn all 2hours -
Mob uses 2hour, restoring everyones -
Burn all 2hours again-
repeat.


I think it's logical, but holy crap I can't believe that after all this time no one has noticed they get their 2hours back when he uses his. I guess in the heat of battle you're not really paying attention.

Edit: As for the guy who used Call Wyvern. Perhaps that's because AV was programmed when Call Wyvern was the 2hour, and they just never adjusted it.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 1:58am by TheMalk
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2 Hours Restored Theory
# Feb 23 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Or they had a COR 2h? lol
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2 Hours Restored Theory
# Feb 14 2008 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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To this Day AV still use Call Wyvern as DRG 2HOUR
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2 Hours Restored Theory
# Mar 24 2008 at 10:32 PM Rating: Good
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to this day all DRG NMs implimented before the "new" DRG 2hour use call wyvern for their 2 hours.
2hr theory
# Feb 13 2008 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Any thought that maybe when he 2hrs and you 2hr after him it might make it so he can't use the other 2hrs and maybe he does something that's AoE that give back the ability to use 2hrs that works on him and "us"? Just a random thought.
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#Drakenmaster, Posted: Feb 13 2008 at 1:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hehe funny a gekko finished him. {sweets}
2 Hours?
# Feb 13 2008 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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All that video really keyed in was the use of 2 hours used when AV used one that I could see. The 2nd close up of the text window highlights:

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Elmaulle uses Invincible
Absolute Virtue uses Soul Voice**
Basu uses Benediction
Popumyonmapu uses Manafont
Roopelope uses Benediction
Iws uses Manafont
Dreamrainbow uses Meikyo Shisui
Astri uses Call Wyvern (not current 2 hour but used to be)
Ruriri uses Benediction
Rasopomosopo uses Astral Flow
Sibigobi uses Manafont
Oruu uses Manafont
Hupapa uses Soul Voice
Hina uses Soul Voice
Yanono uses Blood Weapon
Chakiki uses Chainspell
Houjuhkye uses Soul Voice
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All told that is 16 2 Hour abilities burned pretty much simultaneously.
What was interesting is that it seems each time AV used a 2 Hour, everyone that had previously used one was then able to use theirs again. Does AV instantly recharge your abilities? I say this because Popumyonmapu uses Manafont 3 times in the space of about 3 minutes, directly after AV uses his.

Anyways, that's my take on the video. I'm sure it's been pointed out elsewhere but figured I'd post it here hehe.

Edited, Feb 13th 2008 11:04am by Aelfwise
2 Hours?
# Feb 14 2008 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes this does have to do with 2 hours but im not very convinced that Popumyonmapu used manafont 3 times in 3 minutes. Because if you look at the clock just above the chat log it is a different day all 3 times and im not sure about the times because they are kinda fuzzy. At the fan festival they said even with these hints he is still supposed to be the hardest mob in the game. Take jourmungand for example. this mob takes a couple of hours to kill. if AV is stronger even with the hints it's still gonna be a long fight.

Hence I am suggesting that maybe his 2 hour abilities are locked by the people using theirs. therefore preventing chainspell manafont meteor and alliance wipes.
DEAD!
# Feb 13 2008 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
Yea and its here.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/dow...x/AV_EN.asx
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AV can be defeated
# Nov 18 2007 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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it has been true that AV has not be beaten without the glitches...

but At Fanfestival 2007, SE said they will make a video of their Team defeating Absolute Virtue...The video is supposed to be released in the next few months. they said they will show hints that will "Blow our minds"

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# Nov 06 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
has around 100,000 HP ouch
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# Nov 06 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
i think he is lvl 99 >.>
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# Oct 30 2007 at 6:55 PM Rating: Default
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Ummm i forget her name but on Midgard a PlusOne member has Raphael's rod, so AV has been beaten.
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# Dec 01 2007 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah, PlusOne and Mattet teamed up and killed it LEGITAMATLEY a long while ago.
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aern thinking he is boss
# Oct 25 2007 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
big aern thats all Haha
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# Oct 24 2007 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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i wonder if u get a huge group of rdm/drk and put 2 in the alliance keeping the others in the deck....1 chainspell stun...then other goes...the other one disbands and another joins etc....the rest of alliance goes all out...or is AV not stunable?..i guess you would have to worry about his little friends....sh** i dont know..ive never seen this **** lol..just a thought
#zagarikano, Posted: Oct 19 2007 at 11:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The mammets drop yellow liquids which are actually saved and used for mammet fights.. Yea weird.
not so lolremora
# Oct 19 2007 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I think its funny, the first people to find the wall glitch were from remora (apathy mind you). And the lock glitch was also discovered on remora. Don't know who found that but it is pretty funny seeing people claim they they beat him fair and square with the lock glitch. Im sorry but any mob in the game can be beaten if it has only physical attacks at its disposal.
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AV?
# Aug 20 2007 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
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pft... I could beat this guy with two digital hands tied behind my back... I just don't want to...
MB?
# Aug 16 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes they fixed the wall trick some time ago, and to my knowledge people havn't beaten him since.

But on to my question at hand. I know it's probably not likely and more than likely has been tried but, has anyone ever tried MBing enfeebles on AV? Like sleep, gravity, etc. Who knows maybe SE wanted to try to bring MB's back on a different scale. Just a thought though. I'd like to know if it's been tried as I have no experience with AV myself, its just a curious topic for me. lol who knows maybe there's just some really stupid trick that you normally wouldn't think of (like Brigandish Weap and the bucaneer knife) Not probable though.

Or how about using DRG's? Maybe AV gets intimidated by Ancient Circle XD. Again unlikely but worth a shot if it hasnt been tried. (Again it probably has)

Edited, Aug 16th 2007 3:13:26pm by tearsofscarlet
is...
# Aug 10 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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is the wall trick still around or did they "fix" it
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# Aug 01 2007 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Some one said that 3 plds straight tanked this mob... I have to ask were they using aegis? I dual tanked this as a pld/nin w/ another pld/nin to 91%. at that point I ate 3 aeraga IV's back to back. rampart helped on the first 2 but the third was a moot point killing us both at one time then it proceeded to kill the rest of the allience and the next ls that was watching us get our ^#% handed to us... (there war voked it to keep it up when we wiped and it raped there whole shell) it is funny though found out you can cure it w/o getting agg from it. as well as I personally saw it invincable w/ a pld/nin using a virtue sword w/ stones...
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# Jul 24 2007 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I saw it, but between the blm's spells with the IV spells and mages ballad I did not see any death, just a bunch of screaming of "Omg" "Av is dead". here is the link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3203628122141054620&q=absolute+virtue&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

maybe you guys will see where it says absolute virtue died, lol it's kind of hard to see
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# Jul 26 2007 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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YOu can see the side and his HP go to zero and disappear but they were using the "Wall of Justice" to do so... That is nothing new/not that impressive.
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# Jul 21 2007 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Do a video search of absolute virtue, you can find a vid that has a kill without using a wall trick or glitch. Google is a wonderful thing.
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# Jul 24 2007 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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ballistafan wrote:
Do a video search of absolute virtue, you can find a vid that has a kill without using a wall trick or glitch. Google is a wonderful thing.


Yeah. Too bad there isn't one.
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I'd love to go into fanfest with a baseball bat with 'Absolute virtue' written on it. I wouldn't hurt anyone, just walk around smashing tables, displays, merchandise. When begged to stop, I would simply say "YOU HAVE TO STOP IT'S REGEN." then continue smashing.
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Ummm... beaten many, many...many times w/o the wall trick.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bUACa8POVSo

AV was nothing until the hidden 'modifications' SE threw on him.
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WhiteFlowers wrote:
Ummm... beaten many, many...many times w/o the wall trick.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bUACa8POVSo

AV was nothing until the hidden 'modifications' SE threw on him.


What are you, retarded? I'm still right no matter how much you argue. He has never been beaten without using either the wall glitch (bannable) or the lock glitch (no longer possible). Its not debateable. He just hasn't. Ever.
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I'd love to go into fanfest with a baseball bat with 'Absolute virtue' written on it. I wouldn't hurt anyone, just walk around smashing tables, displays, merchandise. When begged to stop, I would simply say "YOU HAVE TO STOP IT'S REGEN." then continue smashing.
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# Aug 24 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Too bad that was due to locking. He got locked in melee-only and could summon his wynav nor cast spells. Again, not impressive, was done before S-E fixed the locking.
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What is Absolute Virtue's depop time?




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I have an idea, a theory. Alot of sea is linked together right? lumins everywhere carry teh same tissue, etc. so what is to say that AV isnt linked just the same? Obviously plain brute force does nothing to this guy. My theory is that maybe if somone takes control of the top monsters in ru'hmet. What if he became more vulnerable? perhaps maybe a select element was targeted, and monsters of that type were destroyed. maybe he'd be weak to that element. all of the obi's and neckpeices are elemental right? im just trying to derive meaning from them. Any ideas? does this sound completely rediculous? im just saying that sword vs AV isnt working, there has to be alternate means to go about this
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# Jun 27 2007 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I've talked with quite a bit of people, Including GM's. This one has not been defeated, supposedly that 'bug' was first used on Remora, and although it was used, AV wasn't defeated. Just little things that people make such a big deal about that turn into bigger things. Of course this is all information, I mean, have any of you actually SEEN this thing defeated? or simply heard of its defeat like a million others?
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lmao i agree the irony would be too great...lol but i like ur train of thought becuz i too have been trying to think of things that u could do to AV that isnt actually fighting him...i mean, he doesnt aggro does he? and unless im vry much mistaken...his little speech thing doesnt sound too threatening..."by what principles art thou driven?" hm...then u fight him and he demolishes everyone...i was wondering maybe if u trade him some sort of item or sumthin...u know that kind of crazy stuff...but anyway, its a lil far-fetched
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# Jun 16 2007 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
with all the huge group efforts and strategy workings. it would ne really ironic if the strategy for killing AV was to solo him. dumb idea and ud prolly get pwned though.
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# Mar 29 2007 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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We have no idea how to beat Absolute Virtue. Period. Noone anywhere at any time can beat a fully powered Absolute Virtue.

We used to be able to use a bug which locked AV's abilities but it was random and unreliable. SE has since fixed that bug and AV is once again untouchable.

Wall glitch has been fixed since and if you try it they will perma-ban you with no possibility of getting out.

There are many many records of attempts at AV which include numbers as small as 18 and as large as 320+ people spanning as short as 10 min and as long as 19 hours. Not one has worked.
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I actually had a decent convo with a GM the other night about AV. I been thinking about the secret behind AV and talked to the GM about it, funny as ****.... The GM told me to send my Page typed theory to Informations on POL or w/e to get feedback and or suggestions. IDK exactly where to send it to but the GM said I had a Unique approach to it. I only got a screenshot of the first convo we had though. It was short and ended with the GM telling me they wanna hear my strategy/theory will talk after he/she finishes taking calls left and right lol. I'd love to tell ppl, but I am kinda on that note of wanting to be noted for finding out the strategy thing and not othera taking my idea and claiming it for themselves thing. For all I know I could be wrong, but If I am right I don't wanna be left in the dust and others saying they found it first =).
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# Apr 03 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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might have been, but Pikko had me post my Theory on Endgame forums, so i did. The Gm convo screenshot though, still got that =o
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# Mar 29 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm all i no is that it has been beat on Cerberus. See ppl with Virtuous Saint titles everywhere. Just because it hasnt been beaten on your server plz dont post lies saying ppl havent took down its "complete" form even though thats how it pops.
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That was before the glitch was fixed.
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# Mar 29 2007 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Thus why he said "complete form".
The people on your server that beat him was when people could cheat and win by exploiting weaknesses. They fixed that, and now he has no weaknesses and there's more or less no way to win.
Yes, people have beaten him before, but they used glitches to block his 2hrs and movement. That has since been fixed.
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# Mar 20 2007 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I have been looking everywhere to try and find a way to figuer out how to beat this thing for my LS. I have shuffled through the endless posts all and many sites and still the only way I can see it being beaten now is for a server to have to all gang up on it. Maybe 5 to 6 alliances to help one gets a shot after they wipe to HP (set HP in safehold) and next alli takes over and just TP/manaburn and hopefully kill it, but still would not be 100% possibility to win.

In the past the reason for people actually beating this nm is either using the "wall trick" or the wyvern trick. Not saying that we wouldnt use these tricks if they still were not available even though everyone flames the fact that some LS use the wall trick to win. My LS has never used the wall trick though and im about 95% sure that is not an option anymore as SE has fixed that from things ive read. I have tried however to use the wyvern trick as supposedly killing all 3 of his wyverns at the same time will lock his 2hrs abilities/spells. This seems to have been totally random as people would try different things + kill its wyverns at same time to attempt a locking, such as bring him to a cetain HP like below 95%. Another LS on our server actually beat AV and told us that they locked him at 99% HP killing 2 wyverns and about 5 seconds later the last. Our LS had no such luck, struggling for about 3 hours to lock him but in the end only locked his 2hrs only.

We attempted AV three times. The 1st a trail run but gave because of late starting time of JoL many LS members had to log. The second time we failed to lock his spells/abilities and we found out that around 65-70% he starts to spam meteor. We were un able to drop him below that even with his 2hrs gone. Our last attempt which happened after the patch that stopped the glitch of AV using two hours was installed ended very quickly. We were unable to bring him below 90%. We got him to 95% on TPburn before wipe and 90% with TP and mana burn.

Since the patch I have not herd of any LS being able to beat AV on any server. All the stratagies used in the past to win have been corrected as SE did not intend for AV to be beat in such ways. So I am sure there is some trick to be used to be able to beat him as SE had said they would not create an nm that can not be beat, but we still need to figuer it out.
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ive heard its still possible to do the wall trick, but theyll temp/permaban if they catch you doing it and you keep doing it...

Sinus on Remora has a mars's ring, fcking hottt

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 4:43am by Chakrila
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# Jan 30 2007 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Is Absolute Virtue just Lv. 84?
Thought he was thougher...
Just his abilities that makes him so hard to beat?
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# Apr 01 2007 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Lv only indicates the exp you get for the kill. Really has nothing to do with actual difficultly. As an interesting side note I seem to remember when people where fighting AV the pronoun "she" appearing in text. Funny thing is to think of peoples mentality a year ago and say the most powerful being in the land is a Drg.
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# Jan 25 2007 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
"The regen effect will be cut in half by defeating as many of the Ru'phuabos, Qn'xzomits, and Qn'hpemdes summoned by the Jailer of Love as possible. In addition, using an elemental based attack that corresponds to the current day of the week (i.e. using Fire spells on Firesday) will stop the remaining regen effect."

Taken from http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Absolute_Virtue about a TGS interview.
I know not many people have experience with AV, and I know most of those who have aren't reading this page but... Can anyone confirm that based on actual fighting experience?
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According to ffxiclopedia, only sins drop from AV and no actual items. You have to take the "Sin" items to Meret in Tavnazian Safehold and she will give you a reward based on the Sin you trade her.

Sin of Indulgence

Futsuno Mitama
Great Katana
DMG 84 Delay 480 DEX +8
"Store TP" +8
Latent effect: STR +8
lv 75 SAM

Sin of Indolence

Aureole
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DMG: 28 Delay 192 Magic Accurc. +8
Lv 75 All Jobs

Sin of Individiousness

Raphael's rod
Club
DMG 40 Delay 320
Enchantment: Reraise III

Sin of Indignation

Ninurta's Sash
Waist
DEf 6 Attack +6 Haste +6%
Suble Blow +6
Spell inerruption down 6%
lv 75 all jobs

Sin of Insolence

Mars's Ring
Accuracy +8 Attack +8
Evasion -8 DEF-8
lv 75 all jobs

Sin of Infatuation

Bellona's Ring
Ranged Accur. +8 Rang. Attack +8
Evasion -8 DEF -8
lv 75 All Jobs

Sin of Intemperance

Minerva's Ring
Physical Damage Taken + 8%
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# Dec 06 2006 at 2:48 AM Rating: Default
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so like Eden beat AV a second time, was abit ago but we did it again

woo no sash tho
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How can multiple LSs defeat it?
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I've read in several posts that Absolute Virtue was defeated by means of a joint effort of several EndGame linkshells and got some drops. But my question to this is, how can you defeat it with any more than an alliance of 18 people and still get a drop? I know that you can Call for Help, but in such a case, you wouldn't get any drops. If someone could fill me in on the "hows," I'd greatly appriciate it.

On another note, I've heard from my LS on Bahamut server that Absolute Virtue has been nerfed and is no longer the nigh-Invicible tyrant that it used to be (Outside of when it uses the PLD 2hr Invincible, of course. ^^).

Last question. I've read that this thing has access to the SMN 2hr Astral Flow, but I have read nowhere of it being able to summon avatars. Does it use the Blood Pact like it does a job ability? Does one of it's little wyverns use it, strangely enough?
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How can multiple LSs defeat it?
# Nov 25 2006 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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The way it works is you have multiple working alliances from each Linkshell. Each one takes a shot at AV and then if they fall, there are like 5 more alliances waiting to try at him. AV has access to all 2hr abilities. I suppose he'd use it like Kirin and just summon -> blow out the BP -> unsummon. The 2hrs really are the least of your worries though with all the wynavs and the insta-cast spells they love to murder players with.

AV was nerfed for a period of time where a bug existed so you could lock his 2hr and TP / Magic abilities by a random chance. This is when a lot of people started trying to form theories on his weaknesses so we could win. Unfortunately in the last update, SE fixed AV; eliminating the bug that allowed you to lock him up. Now, he's the invincible juggernaut he was before. Completely unbeatable by anyone.
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I'd love to go into fanfest with a baseball bat with 'Absolute virtue' written on it. I wouldn't hurt anyone, just walk around smashing tables, displays, merchandise. When begged to stop, I would simply say "YOU HAVE TO STOP IT'S REGEN." then continue smashing.
How can multiple LSs defeat it?
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switch people with tp into the alliance, they ws, then they leave to gain tp
switch blms into the alliance to MB or nuke, they log out to reset hate, they log back in
etc.

basically have people leaving and joining alliance at all times. then if someone outside the alliance wins for a drop, they join the alliance and lot on it. simple.
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# Nov 09 2006 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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is the guy the strongest NM in FF?
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It drops the sin of insolence as well. see the pic from this LS site that beat him.

mijiin gakure
# Oct 25 2006 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
Can't you just kill off all the jailer's except the one that is a ninja, so he can Mijiin Gakure himself?
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laviont the Charming wrote:
Can't you just kill off all the jailer's except the one that is a ninja, so he can Mijiin Gakure himself?

NM Mijiin Gakure doesn't kill them.
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lol >> wall trick
# Oct 23 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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wall trick is *** yes but if it was your ls with your items im sure u wouldnt consider it cheating half the ppl who take the **** have never ever seen AV without wall trick this thing is close 2 impossible to defeat, SE will soon sort out the wall trick but till then u just gonna have 2 deal with the fact ppl r doing it id complain about the trick but if i was getting hes items im sure id stfu and just accept them who wouldnt?
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Not very virtuous, are we?
# Oct 15 2006 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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To make things clear, I'm not saying this from the point of view of someone who has been to Sea at all (I'm only level 40 ^^/). I'm also not saying that there is any right or wrong way to fight AV.

I think the people who used the wall trick should be congratulated for their imagination, as making use of the natural surroundings is a good skill to learn. And also, it's not as if using this trick makes the fight a cinch; there are still spells like Meteor to worry about.

On the other hand, AV was most likely created with the purpose to provide a challenge to players, in which a large number of people would have to work together to come up with a strategy, and then to communicate during the battle itself. The difficulty of this monster is meant to be a challenge for us, possibly designed as motivation for us to continue to strive on to be the best we can be.

I personally wouldn't use the wall trick, and maybe someday in the future I'll die numerous times because I made this decision. But the fact is that it's MY decision. This game isn't about who cheated, it's about having fun. If dying over and over again against AV makes you miserable, then by all means, use the wall trick. And if fighting to the best of your ability is what is fun to you, then come up with what you believe is a good strategy and try it out.


... Maybe there are people who spent days and days in Sea defeating the Jailors, and much longer than that getting all the best equipment in the game for their jobs. Then they went in after all that hard work, and still put in a fair amount of effort to defeat AV using this wall trick... only to have people flaming them and telling them that they 'cheated'. Crushing what happiness they might have gotten from that legendary battle.

Maybe there are people who spent a very long time attempting to defeat AV, after joining a good HNM or Sea LS, and devising a battle plan along with the people joining them. Then after dying multiple times, they log onto Alla to find that people are calling them an idiot for not using the wall trick. And so their dreams of ever defeating him the normal way are darkened a few notches.

When someone defeats Absolute Virtue, maybe we should just tell them [Congratulations!]. After all, this arguing isn't very virtuous, is it?



... yes... I felt an urge to say that. ^^; Sorry for the long post. And once again, I'm not trying to say that I know more than any of you, because I most certainly do not. I'm only Rank 5, and my highest job is level 40 MNK. I just felt that I wanted to put my opinion on the issue out there. Thankyou to anyone who had the patience to stop and read this. :D
Not very virtuous, are we?
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SE admitted on the Fan Fest earlier this year that even the dev team couldnt beat this guy....so that kinda...sux. Friend of mine was there and heard them respond to to the question of if they beat AV with "well...we're going to try again..." so yeah...thanks for keepin the promise of "never putting in a mob that we cant beat ourselves" dev team... >.<;;;
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AV does not pop the jailers when he spawns -.- who the **** thought that?
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AV on Midgard
# Aug 28 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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This was beat on Midgardsormr by two endgame ls's; Mattet and PlusOne on 8/26/06. They fought AV strait up, 100% legit. NO goblin footprint or wall trick was used. I know this because I was there for the whole fight and ended up getting the new title: Virtuous Saint :D

As the Lunarians also discovered, once you get AV below 95% he stops using his two hours, doesnt call wyverns and his insane hp regen slows quite a bit.

A few things that should be cleared up about AV:

1. He does not spawn and aggro. He is non aggressive.
2. Killing the other jailers prior to fighting AV or equipping the jailer weapons and engaging AV does not remove the corrisponding 2hr
3. Om'aern's within the area AV pops will aggro when AV is attacked.


Our drops included Minerva's Ring and Raphael's Rod.

Edited, Aug 28th 2006 at 5:43pm EDT by MiraKurumi

Edited, Aug 31st 2006 at 12:29pm EDT by MiraKurumi
AV on Midgard
# Oct 17 2006 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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MiraKurumi wrote:
1. He does not spawn and aggro. He is non aggressive.


100% False.

When Jailer of Love dies, he has a chance to "summon" Absolute Virtue. You know this because just before AV actually pops, the "summoning" animation occurs around JoL's corpse.

After that, AV will aggro the ally that killed Jailer of Love.

After he has wiped out the initial ally (or everyone zones/logs/warps/etc.), he will enter passive, non-aggro mode.

So yes, he is non-aggressive after the ally that killed JoL has wiped/warped/zoned.
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AV dead on bismarck
# Aug 19 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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AV was finally killed on bismarck server by lunariansls and with the help of archdominus http://www.lunariansls.com/ check it out :D
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Grats Lunies!!
Was an awsome fight!! DRKs were the main DMG along with the BLMs. Souleater and Krakens win again!!!
Hmmmm...
# Aug 13 2006 at 4:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I've never fought this NM myself(though I hope to someday), but I heard from a friend in a HNMLS that Absolute Virtue dropped 90 people and only went down to 99%HP, so to all who think that the wall trick is a cheap victory, consider exactly how powerful this NM really is.
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Hmmmm...
# Nov 14 2006 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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what's the "wall trick"?
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