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I'm going to give it a shot...
# Oct 17 2007 at 9:05 PM Rating: Default
My quest for this begins today... If there are any ambitious LS's on the Diabolos server that want to help me out with this one, please send me a /tell or message me. I'm pretty ambitious and would love nothing more than to see just how far that ambition takes me. Cheers!

Desdemona from Diabolos ^^
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# Jul 08 2007 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Why even bother? I mean...Once you'd played the game long enough to get this item...havent u played the game long enough?
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Saw one
# Oct 25 2006 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Apache, a JP player on Shiva server has this but don't know how long shes had it.
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Total cost of this item
# Jun 23 2006 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm just trying to work out how much this thing costs to get....

300 + 1400 + 6000 + 10000 = 17700 old currency. The current price on Fairy at the moment is 50k per coin... simple math would mean this horn would cost 885 million gil in dynamis currency alone.... /sigh
Relic
# Apr 30 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Default
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I see, a 49 post discussion on the merits of improved ballad, but not 1 post on how to upgrade, quite informative to the aspiring 75 brd...
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# Jun 14 2006 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
NPC Switchstix, in Castle Zvahl Baileys.

Stage 1 will require:

Items:Mammoth Tusk, Chronos Tooth, Swordbelt +1
Commission:300 T. Whiteshell

Stage 2 will require:

Items:Horn, Gemshorn, Shofar
Commission:1400 1 Byne Bill

Stage 3 will require:

Items:Attestation of Harmony

Commission:6000 O. Bronzepiece


Stage 4 will require:

Items:Mysterial Fragment, Necropsyche

Commission:10000 T. Whiteshell
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Valley of Sorrows : North side hole
http://killingifrit.com/page.php?al=gjallarhorn
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relic horn
# Mar 03 2006 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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anybody know step by step how to upgrade this to full relic horn? please post a link ^^
Huh?
# Jan 28 2006 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Where can i find this Item.... is it quested? dropped? crafted? or do i just keep looking in ah for it?
RE: Huh?
# Feb 07 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Default
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This is the final form of the Relic Horn

If you want to turn a useless bit o' crud into Gjallarhorn, expect to spend a few hundred million gil and/or years of dynamis diving.

Course this is usually trotted out as the example of a relic item that helps everyone in your party... so it's possable your LS will help you out.
instrument effects on songs... some of them
# Jan 05 2006 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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i tested the potency and time increases of songs based on +1 and +2 instruments...

i believe if im remembering correctly that a normal, unboosted song lasts 2 minutes, and +1 instruments add 9 seconds and +2 instruments add 18 seconds (these are about 7.5% and 15%, respectively).

Testing potency increases on songs like minuet showed similar percent bonuses to attack (unfortunately, we deal in numbers more like 30 than 120 when its attack, so it rounded up to 8% for +1 and still 15% for +2... just about)

i didnt test potency increases for paeon... :( i wasnt high enough level to get the right harp when i did this test :( but i assume it behaves differently, because a 15% bonuse on HPregen+3 is... less than one... so that would suck... i believe for paeon (and likely ballad, as it has been shown thanks to killingifrit) hp regen is increased by the number the song is increased (paeon +2 adds 2 to hp regen for each song).

i couldnt test some different songs (like those that have no instruments) and i didnt test offensive songs XD though requiem wouldnt be hard to test lol
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Gjallarhorn
# Oct 15 2005 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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While it is true that at one time, this horn only increased Length of time of effect

NOW, because of one of the last couple of patches the horn also increases POTENCY

SO now it is possible to Have a bard 2 hour, add to it smn sub, refresh and vermy and have

Balad I: 3 (2 hour >> 6)
Balad II: 4 (2 hour >> 8)
Refresh: 3
/SMN: 1
VERMY: 1
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Regular: 7
other refreshes: 12
With 2 hour >> 19 mp / tick
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RE: Gjallarhorn
# Jan 11 2006 at 4:08 AM Rating: Good
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since you're dealing with possible, but hard to test situations. why not have a brd with this horn 2-hr and give double ballad (according to the figures above) for +14 mp/tick to a rdm/smn with AFv2 hat + dalmatica + refresh for a grand total of 20 mp/tick
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# Sep 21 2006 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Take away the rdm refresh and drink and amrita while wearing a mistletien. 23mp a tick ^^
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RE: Gjallarhorn
# Feb 19 2006 at 1:43 AM Rating: Default
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Refresh from equipment does not affect more then 1 mp
so you can have all the refresh gear in the world and it will only give 1mp still
RE: Gjallarhorn
# Jul 09 2006 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
Hate to break it to you but that isn't true. Ask any PLD with a Hercules' Ring and a Vermillion Cloak and they can show you. It is true that most refresh gear is on the body slot, so it's not common to see someone with more than one piece on at a time. If you do decide to test it, the Herc ring is triggered by low HP. Just get their HP low enough for the ring to kick on, and then throw on the cloak. Presto, refresh effect from gear stacks.
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# Oct 06 2005 at 8:45 PM Rating: Default
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I just got my Relic Horn and i'm going to start up grading for my BRD its only lv 37. But i was wonderng if any one knew what you need to upgrade for all 4 stages

Example

Stage 1 Relic Horn to ???

??? + ???+ ???

Stage 2 ??? to ???

??? + ??? + ???

and yea you get the idea
gonna go for it
# Aug 31 2005 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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im posting this as of 31 AUG 05 my quest has started. i WILL have this
(lets see how long it takes) {bard} {power}!
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# Aug 12 2005 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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ok. . ..
# Aug 09 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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ok im jumping on the band wagon to beat the dead horse. first of all any bard (i hope) would know that +2 (specific song here) doesnt mean +2(specific attribute here) ie. Minuet +2 doesnt give you +2 more attack. its more like +2 = +20% +1 = +10% more than if you had the wrong instrument equipped for that song. sorry for my sarcasem but just tired of people adding wrong -.-

:edit: assuming your corrisbonding skillz are capped that is

Edited, Tue Aug 9 15:57:35 2005
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# Aug 09 2005 at 2:51 PM Rating: Default
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Ballad + 2 does infact increase potency
# Aug 09 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Gjallarhorn is much more than a space saver. Below is a link to a thread on Killing Ifrit that has a video of the 7mp per tick Ballad 1 + Ballad 2 combo.

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=67201

Soul Voice + the two Ballads would only make 6 mp per tick (Soul Voice + ballad = 2mp. Soul Voice + Ballad 2 = 4mp. total is 6mp) Also neither person in the video has mp regen equipment nor subbing summoner. This fact is also dispalyed in the video as they have no mp regen at all until the Ballads are played.

Edited, Tue Aug 9 14:00:52 2005
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Some useless stats.
# Aug 05 2005 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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Hmm...
To sing you can't have an instrument equipped. But to get the +10 Singing skill, you have to equip this horn. It might as well be +10 Beatbox skill.
RE: Some useless stats.
# Feb 07 2006 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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My mistake, sorry. I'm not a bard and made a boo-boo assumption. Knowing is half the battle =)
RE: Some useless stats.
# Aug 09 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Here let me make it simple wind or sting skill + current singing skill = song effect Example: using lullaby with capped singing skill an lev1 string skill (sh*t isnt gonna work) if it does wont be for very long :D
on the other hand both skills capped that biotch is Nite Nite time ^^
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RE: Some useless stats.
# Aug 07 2005 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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no, singing skill is also in effect even with an instrument equipped. i was leveling my bard and got an instrument skill-up and a singing skill-up at the same time.
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RE: Some useless stats.
# Aug 07 2005 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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oops, doublepost.

Edited, Sun Aug 7 15:28:27 2005
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# Aug 05 2005 at 12:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hmm....You think..just maybe...this can give you ReraiseIII? lol, thers a reraise song right? So...Reraise1+2=3(i think lol) Prolly unlikely..but any 75 Brds every try and died to find that out? lol (^^)/
RE: hm.
# Aug 08 2005 at 12:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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check posts under Hymnus... there is already a +2 hymnus instrument so speculating as to what relic would do for hymnnus is irrelevant. abrevviated answer, it's still alittle worse than RII even with the +2 instrument. doesn't mean i don't use it though. anyway, have a nice day.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
#TidesTF, Posted: Jul 18 2005 at 8:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well...you still need to carry a harp with you :P Just for AOE Paeon and Mazurka really...etude for Fenrir would be nice too.
Neglecting the Whole Picture
# Jul 17 2005 at 2:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been considering a bit lately whether i would bother working on assembling this. the downside of this relic is that you spend alot of time and effort and don't get a shiny new WS to show off. The others all have that as a little added perk whereas this does not. And i apologize if i get a bit wordy; but i wanted to be thorough in my analysis.

so it's not a question of eternal dominance or a rediculous ballad. it's about whether you are willing to spend the time and effort to bleed for the finest instrument. And don't make any doubts: this is the best thing a bard can put in that equip slot to improve thier songs. As i see it since music is the crux of the job, that's pretty important. So i want to share my little analyitical viewpoint on it's musical merits.

The most obvious statistic is the "All songs +2". but it's misleading to think of that as the most important one. this aspect of Gjallar provides the foundation for it's greatness, but is by itself unimportant for the sort of bard that has the means to obtain it in the first place. at this level bards should have instruments with +2 song bonuses for any song they consider important. and clearing inventory space is not nearly important enough to merit the investment involved in obtaining this item. futher, some instruments carry special bonuses that merit thier retention: Hamelin, sorrowful, angel lyre, crumhorn +1, frenzy being the ones that come to mind. I conclude that +2 all songs by itself is inconsequential and unworthy of the investment: it provides nothing of substance that was not available beforehand.

This leads to my point. The other statistics of the Gjallar are what make it a worthwhile item. While there are instruments with charisma bonuses, they are not entirely worthwhile to use on the songs where charisma is most crucial. i believe Ryl. Spearman and Cythara Ang. are the only ones that provide charisma, and while Virelai absolutely benifits from that... well one does not use Virelai in dynamis! So Gjallar will grant some char in a slot where it is otherwise unavailable.

What i find most important are the massive singing and instrument bonuses this instrument grants. skill will improve all aspects of a song (in directions the song can improve) Gjallar gives roughly a bit more combined skill than you can obtain by maxing out merits. offensive songs will stick longer and be more accurate, while defensive songs will be enhanced in effect. Notably MinuetIV will be increased in effectiveness by another point, simply from the skill bonuses, regardless of your current skill. ( http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?ffspell=447 ). What it comes down to is that while this instrument is the same +2 song as any other instrument you would be using, it's other bonuses allow you to trancend your limits and squeeze that extra bit of power out of your music. It would take alot of merits to equal the bonuses granted by this horn... and even with that said, equipping this over those merits will redouble your payoff. It won't make you "the god with the Refresh power of (insert impressive metaphor here). but it will make you better than any other bard, without any question. Assuming you know what you're doing!!!

Once more, forgive my long post. I didn't wish to beat a dead horse, but i thought my position was worth mentioning to those wondering what to do with thier rusted old Relic Horns.
Happy barding everyone~

Edited, Sun Jul 17 03:10:51 2005
RE: Neglecting the Whole Picture
# Aug 04 2005 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I find only one fault with your analysis, and that's the fact that it gives +2 Ballad, allowing for a +7 MP regen with both songs on. This was denied by some people for a while, but has been proven true by NA who have gotten the horn. So, I'd call that the best aspect of the horn.
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RE: Neglecting the Whole Picture
# Aug 04 2005 at 4:34 PM Rating: Default
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Nice post but this won't make you the best bard if you let your songs down for 10 seconds more than another bard. All those stats are nice but if you play like some bards out there, the time wasted without songs people aren't doing as much damage and the mob isn't debuffed; those stats aren't going to help. Yeah this is a great item for songs but if you have all the other +1 instruments, really not that important.

For a space saver it is nice but you can spend 1 million gil and get 60 slots. with that you should still have 20 free with all the +1 instruments you need at the time.

My final thoughts on this item:

If you are only going to play bard, try to get it by spending huge amounts of time and multi-multi millions of gil.

If you plan to level another job, ever, skip it. Be a great (maybe not best) bard and great (maybe even best) second job with all the awesome gear you can buy with the multi-multi millions of gil.
Best Instrument Ever
# May 26 2005 at 7:18 AM Rating: Default
Now I understand how people are not happy that it does not increase how much mp from ballad, there is one thing to note, with this instrument you won't need to carry 8-10 instruments anymore. No more switching between harps and flutes and so on. It will also increase the duration of Ballad which I must admit would help a lot in a party. Less running around, less song casting, means you are free to help the party a lot more (Ie: Cures, -Na/Ra Spells) so truthfully this instrument would be worth the time/effort needed. But that is just my opnion.
Best Instrument Ever
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umm... but it does increase the mp gained...
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