I was wondering if its a good idea at any point to start stacking up on gear for elemental resistance. For example, I'm a mage, and I know that having wind resistance gives you a higher resistance to "Silence". So at some point should I start piling on wind resistance?
Do any other jobs do this?
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Typically that's not something to worry about unless it's a very specific fight, and even so, it's usually the tanks doing so.
Example...
For fighting Tiamat who has some strong Fire attacks, tanks are recommended to stack Fire Resist gear.
For a typical mage fighting something that silences...just pack a few stacks of Echo Drops. 800 gil a piece from a vendor. Resist gear will take away from your damage potential
Example...
For fighting Tiamat who has some strong Fire attacks, tanks are recommended to stack Fire Resist gear.
For a typical mage fighting something that silences...just pack a few stacks of Echo Drops. 800 gil a piece from a vendor. Resist gear will take away from your damage potential
Its rare, but certainly not completely wasted.
The question becomes "what am I giving up in order to build an elemental resistance build?"
Often endgame tanks will do elemental resistance builds against grand wyrms (Tiamat and the like) with some success. Since their attacks are so primarily magical and attuned to one element, giving up VIT, def, Haste, etc isn't as much of a loss. I bold that because at some point you do start giving up too much, and that's when a resistance build can really hurt you.
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
The question becomes "what am I giving up in order to build an elemental resistance build?"
Often endgame tanks will do elemental resistance builds against grand wyrms (Tiamat and the like) with some success. Since their attacks are so primarily magical and attuned to one element, giving up VIT, def, Haste, etc isn't as much of a loss. I bold that because at some point you do start giving up too much, and that's when a resistance build can really hurt you.
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
PandyCelebrindor wrote:
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
Or BRDs. Those Carols actually have a use lol.
Thanks guys. I was always curious about that.
DaimenKain wrote:
PandyCelebrindor wrote:
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
Or BRDs. Those Carols actually have a use lol.
Somewhat true. In most situations where one is doing an elemental resist build, its a PLD/NIN or NIN/DRK(WAR)....and March will hold precendence over Carols. Not to say they don't have a use, just that barspells don't require giving up something else.
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Its rare, but certainly not completely wasted.
The question becomes "what am I giving up in order to build an elemental resistance build?"
Often endgame tanks will do elemental resistance builds against grand wyrms (Tiamat and the like) with some success. Since their attacks are so primarily magical and attuned to one element, giving up VIT, def, Haste, etc isn't as much of a loss. I bold that because at some point you do start giving up too much, and that's when a resistance build can really hurt you.
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
The question becomes "what am I giving up in order to build an elemental resistance build?"
Often endgame tanks will do elemental resistance builds against grand wyrms (Tiamat and the like) with some success. Since their attacks are so primarily magical and attuned to one element, giving up VIT, def, Haste, etc isn't as much of a loss. I bold that because at some point you do start giving up too much, and that's when a resistance build can really hurt you.
To be honest, I've never seen any general benefit to it. Strong barspells (either from a high enhancing skill RDM/WHM, or a merited WHM) are going to give you a great deal more than most easily obtainable setups. There are specific situations where its good, but in 99% of cases, its just not worth the tradeoffs.
Just to touch up on this so there isn't confusion...
When Tiamat is flying in the air, his fire breath attacks totally ignore shadows, and will deal about 260-270 a pop with shellra V. He also shoots them pretty fast.
There is a huge HUGE benefit to resistance set ups, though its more so for tanks than other jobs.
First, the barspell from a full merited whm, with af2 legs, still isn't going to help you resist anything. There are certain 'tiers' of resistance that you need to break, if you can't break this resistance then you will notice all of your gear doing almost nothing for you.
When Tiamat is flying in the air, bard carol with crumhorn, and whm barspell is NOT enough, not even close. You need to get into the 270-290 total range to start resisting its attacks. With say about 130-150 in gear, which I understand is not the easiest to obtain, those 260-270 fire shots get reduced to 30 almost full time. To show that there is a tier, at around 240-250ish fire resistance, you rarely resist any attack and take the full 260-270ish damage.
So, atleast as far as endgame NMs are concerned, the whm barspells and bard carols are not enough.
Finally, you don't keep this equipment equipped full time, that's also crazy lol. You have macros built up so that you can switch inbetween the gear, and use it when its most necessary.
An example is on Cerberus he has a deadly move called Gates of Hades. Through out the entire fight your tank can wear his regular gear, then below 25% Cerberus starts to use this new, very deadly move. It can be stunned, however sometimes your stunners may miss. A simple macro swap while he is preparing the move will be huge. Instead of taking 800+ damage and a nasty 20 hp burn effect, you take about 100 damage and resist the burn effect. After the move is over, macro switch your regular gear back in. You gain the benefit of your haste/enmity/hp built equip, and the benefit of your resistance equip.
Yeah, don't waste time with a resist set unless you're going to be a tank, and then you only need earth and fire typically. Earth for Ouryu, and fire for Cerb, Bahamut, and Timmy.
NaixSylph wrote:
First, the barspell from a full merited whm, with af2 legs, still isn't going to help you resist anything.
This is a bit misleading and I wanted to clarify that even if it doesn't help you break the first resistance tier, barspell from a full merited WHM wearing a Blessed Briault gives a 15 MDB bonus in addition to the elemental resistance, which will still reduce the damage significantly (by 13% if you have no other MDB).
You can use it if you are quick with the macros. Unfortunately for some it almost requires using the windower because you can hit one macro and swap in all of your resist gear instantly. An example of this is Gates of Hades from Cerberus. What i started doing (and later most of the other tanks in my LS) is hitting my fire resist macro as soon as Cerb readies GoH. Not only can i squash the damage down to about 80-90 100% of the time should GoH go off, but it also lets you resist the terrible burn effect.
Cerberus seems to require about 240-250ish fire resist for this to work, though i never got to test it fully. Tiamat on the other hand i find its 300+ to consistently resist her breath attacks, which as someone said brings it from 270ish into the 30s.
If you -don't- have the gear or ability to hit those resist numbers you are better off going for magic defense bonus gear and magic damage -%.
Cerberus seems to require about 240-250ish fire resist for this to work, though i never got to test it fully. Tiamat on the other hand i find its 300+ to consistently resist her breath attacks, which as someone said brings it from 270ish into the 30s.
If you -don't- have the gear or ability to hit those resist numbers you are better off going for magic defense bonus gear and magic damage -%.
Slightly off topic, but would 45ish fire resistance be enough to solo bombs in Ifrit's Cauldron? Or would one be better off going /whm to solo the bombs...
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Slightly off topic, but would 45ish fire resistance be enough to solo bombs in Ifrit's Cauldron? Or would one be better off going /whm to solo the bombs...
With what job are you intending to solo them?
Ooops, sorry... hoping to go 75NIN
Edit... added job level
Edited, Jul 21st 2007 12:59am by MagicCube
Edit... added job level
Edited, Jul 21st 2007 12:59am by MagicCube
You want to be /whm for the self-cures, Magic Defense Bonus, and the barfira. The bombs there are gonna be EP to low DC to 75, so with signet, the fact that you're a much higher level, and a weak barfira with a fire resist macro swap will give you a fairely decent chance to resist.
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