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#1 Nov 17 2004 at 2:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dear Tristian,

My name is Ken Narita and I am the Programming Directory for Final Fantasy XI. My job entails addressing player issues that directly affect their game play. I represent
Hiromichi Tanaka, Koichi Ishii, and Masato Kato the event programmer for much of Final Fantasyfs battle and game play schematics. Thank You for bring about the problem of gGilsellersh and the various individuals that continually violate Final Fantasy XIfs TOS and EULA on a day to day basis.

The issue that you have brought to our attention has been noted and will be investigated as soon as possible. However, please understand that due to the sheer number of reports that we receive, we will be unable to personally inform you of any progress that is made regarding this issue. This is to keep clandestine the methods in which we plan to address the issue of selling Square Enixfs intellectual property for ones own financial benefit.

Your petition alone has reached our offices and caused great discord especially since our mail servers were literally flooded with reports from various servers. We received no less than 142 petitions, 1,233 E-Mails, and a vast majority of users calling Game Masters to confirm individuals that have been gcampingh monsters for months day and night.

There is no easy solution to the problem of Gilsellers. Targeting such players in game would yield fruitless results. However, this is not to mean our employees will not take action against players that PK others or exhibit gGilsellersh tendencies. Likewise companies such as those mentioned in your Petition are under scrutiny by our Lawyers and have been issued warnings. A few have even been issued summons for copyright infringement. However, things like this take time and we ask that you and your fellow FFXI players bear with us as we investigate and take down these companies.

I wish I could offer you more information but unfortunately this is all I can afford to release to any public voice. Releasing any more information would jeopardize any attempt that the developers of FFXI have put in process to address the issues you mentioned. However we do intend to address these and other issues formally on the POL website. You may find detailed information regarding identified technical and player issues under General in the Information area of the PlayOnline Viewer as well as on the POL website.

Again, we thank you for your support, and we wish to assure you that each and every report is addressed with the utmost concern. gWe are a Nation of 1,000,000 and you will listen to our Voices.h Rest assured that we have heard your voices and have long since put into effect methods to catch and prosecute those that are intent on ripping apart the very fabric that support FFXI. Our players mean every thing to us and here at our customer service department each and every E-mail, Letter, Petition is addressed and read. Please realize that thousands of such e-mails reach out inboxes and replying to each and everyone is impossible. However, when one truly requires a response such as this we are not hesitant to respond. Thank you for support Tristian, and we wish you a very happy time in FFXI.


Sincerely,
Ken Narita

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Petition Can be Found Here

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1100541170652243989&num=101

Thank you to All the websites and Linkshells that Helped me out with this.

Warcry
IGN
Killing Ifrit
FFXI MystertTour
Aradorn Linkshell Community Website
JesterX's Guide to Vana'Diel -- FFXI info site
Vana'diel Online
FFXIOnline.com
Shards of Odin
Rpg Dreamers FFXI Online Forum
Stratics

If I missed you Hate the Memory not the Heart :)


*added some ppl


Edited, Wed Nov 17 02:41:47 2004 by AsonitezX
#2REDACTED, Posted: Nov 17 2004 at 2:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) that all they never say i call a GM and he say that how in he11 do they git ther jobs? i will like to be a GM so i can stop this ppl ever say they r gil sellers so im like wtf how hard is it to delete or ban for a few days
#3 Nov 17 2004 at 2:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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that all they never say i call a GM and he say that how in he11 do they git ther jobs? i will like to be a GM so i can stop this ppl ever say they r gil sellers so im like wtf how hard is it to delete or ban for a few days


 
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#4 Nov 17 2004 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Nicely done.

I was one of those writing a long letter to their support. Ofcourse I only got an automated reply back but atleast I did something.

I too agree with him that banning the gilsellers wont really solve the problem, but it would set them back alot since they have to level a new char to 50+ and that takes a few weeks.
#5 Nov 17 2004 at 2:59 AM Rating: Default
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So all they confirmed is that they are doing something. Nothing has been said or done; it's just been confirmed.
#6 Nov 17 2004 at 3:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, at least this is better than just an "Automated Reply". I sure hope SE really is doing something about this problem so that we can all get back to levelling and exploring like usual, instead of worrying about if a Gilseller is in our zone.
#7 Nov 17 2004 at 3:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you to All the websites and Linkshells that Helped me out with this.

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Killing Ifrit
Killing Ifrit supported you?!?!?!? Go to their page and click the top right banner see where it actually leads you!

edit: Good job by the way ;p

Edited, Wed Nov 17 03:20:39 2004 by CheyD
#8 Nov 17 2004 at 3:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Heck at least you got a response. I sent them an email over 3 weeks ago about a gil seller and never got a response.

I'm still not convinced that either the GM's have their friends in game and get kick backs for gil, or that SE isn't getting a piece of the gil selling action.

Call me jade, cynical and a conspiracy junkie, but it will take a lot to convince me that they don't have a hand in the pot somehow.
#9 Nov 17 2004 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I never knew there was real people at the other end of the contact lines...

there is one line that gets me tho "Our Players are everything to us" (or something like that). I have yet to see any evidence of this, with any previous problems, but i guess time will tell for this 1. I just hope it doesnt come too late when the economy is beyond repair (IMO it already is with some items gaining 50% inflation without a week on my server, and other items rising by 5 million gil from the price history.)

SE made this problem, they gimped all the good ways to get money, fishing etc and now we see the result.

Power to the players...

Vengeance
#10 Nov 17 2004 at 3:56 AM Rating: Default
I like this....
I wish he would give us more proof that he is who said he is ; ;

anyone got a premier account who can check to see if he has made previos public statements like this?

106 post isnt alot......


The fact they wont list what actions has/have/will be taken
has always interested me...

I wonder if you google around you could find ANY recorded documents say cease and deast or be sued by se for breach of contract... anyone know if such contract laws exist in jp?

also I will reccomend that you try asking the people that host cannotlinkto and other gil sites not to host them because of illegal activities...
most server admins know better to host anything that could get them in touble
if they host themselves in another country though.... things would get tricky

in which case you would have to ask the people providing them internet/server hookup politely to contact thier user about using thier connection for illegal purposes

and is contacting ebay + paypal a real option?
they sell under this account:
IGE U.S. LLC
paypal has very strict policies concerning its usage
#11 Nov 17 2004 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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This made my day (that and getting to 65)

I am SO proud of being part of it, and anyone who signed it should also be very happy.

/hurray
#12REDACTED, Posted: Nov 17 2004 at 8:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good Job ! ... I say YES .. Lets get this into court .. That way SE can lose the court case ( which they know they will ) and then there will be NOTHING FF can do about stopping Gil buying or selling & then it can get posted for trading on E-bay.
#13 Nov 17 2004 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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mageoflibra wrote:
I like this....
I wish he would give us more proof that he is who said he is ; ;

anyone got a premier account who can check to see if he has made previos public statements like this?

106 post isnt alot......


Read again, please... AsonitezX is simply reposting the letter. Smiley: tongue
#14 Nov 17 2004 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
nice job ason, you made the entire gaming public proud to have you aboard.
#15 Nov 17 2004 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Great to see a response at least! In other games you would get an automated e-mail. I mean, take a look at SW:G, I think the devs actually -try- to ignore players.
#16 Nov 17 2004 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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good job!

they should be taking it a bit more serious than the misc. GM call.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Nov 17 2004 at 9:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LoL .. Yea lets get in into the courts .. Lets see them lose the case & make it so they cant stop the selling or buying .. Then you guys will really have something to cry about. It wont be just IGE that you are crying about .. It will be everyone who wants to be a Gil dealer !
#18 Nov 17 2004 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
mad, please provide sources to back up what you said lol, cause frankly without real sources showing what you said as a legitamte purpose.. its all a bunch of crap you are spewing for all to read... square won't go to court untill they have all facts straight and evidence to support it... otherwisel iek you said its a weaste of time... If anything they could probably get these companies on copyright infringment or soemthing sicne they are selling a product belonging to square enix for thier own gain... Last i checked I couldnt sell my neighbors car, tv, stereo etc without it being considered theft... same principle except it is with electronic signals that serve a purpose...
#20 Nov 17 2004 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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It's always great to see publicly posted replies to publicly sent questions or comments. Thanks!

febavas wrote:

- <---Sorry, but you bust be this at least this old to be a GM


Lol, indeed. It's always funny to see people that think they can do better than the professionals who do their very best every day.

And I suspect they prefer that you use punctuation, capitalization, at least some basic spelling and grammar rules, and that you care enough about what you are saying to type complete words.

I mean, honestly, is it that much harder to type "are" than "r"?

pdragonfly wrote:

I'm still not convinced that either the GM's have their friends in game and get kick backs for gil, or that SE isn't getting a piece of the gil selling action.

Call me jade, cynical and a conspiracy junkie, but it will take a lot to convince me that they don't have a hand in the pot somehow.


Bah. I see why you are worried about that, but there is just no way. Something like that would have become common public knowledge a long time ago. It's not like management doesn't move on to other jobs. Do you really think that someone that quit SE and started working for another software company wouldn't officially spill the beans? It would probably even be good for business for any competitor that was able to demonstrate a connection.

Archeon wrote:

there is one line that gets me tho "Our Players are everything to us" (or something like that). I have yet to see any evidence of this, with any previous problems, but i guess time will tell for this 1. I just hope it doesnt come too late when the economy is beyond repair (IMO it already is with some items gaining 50% inflation without a week on my server, and other items rising by 5 million gil from the price history.)

SE made this problem, they gimped all the good ways to get money, fishing etc and now we see the result.


You have every right to be frustrated, but what they said is true. Their players are everything to them- they have no other source of income whatsoever. Speaking as someone who manages part of a customer service based enterprise believe me, they care! And I'm sure they spend every resource they have every way they can to keep the most players happy possible. The problem is that those resources are limited. They can't make everyone happy all of the time. For one thing sometimes what one person wants and what another wants can't both happen. And, more importantly, if they spent all the money that every development issue, service issue (which is at the least a manpower expense), and legal issue required to be resolvedp perfectly they wouldn't be able to turn a profit.

SE doesn't make a killing that they could better spend elsewhere. They're just another reasonably successful company. They make good money, but they don't have anything approaching a monopoly and I've yet to see them engage in a questionable business practice. They do well in a competitive industry, but they don't have unlimited resources.

As for the nerfing of money-making methods... They consistently nerf methods that either make wealth too universal or too easy for botters. Nerfing some of the fishing things was one of the best thing's they've ever done for the economy. I've only ever seen their understanding and management of the game balance improve over time, and I see no reason that will stop.

They do care about us- they just aren't perfect. They are trying their best to keep us playing and paying!

The best people who can improve the economy are players. Don't buy gil yourself. Refuse to party with people who openly admit to buying gil- even if they are a job you need in your pt. Kick them from your LS. Report every incident of mpk or other nasty tactics to a GM politely.

And, most importantly, if things get really bad cancel your account and politely tell SE why! They care about player concerns, but they'll care even more about lost revenue for specifically stated reasons. :D Trust me, I know- it makes a big difference in any service industry.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 09:39:31 2004 by silalus
#21 Nov 17 2004 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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someof thier forums helped

Edited, Wed Nov 17 09:40:01 2004 by AsonitezX
#22 Nov 17 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
I really, REALLY hope SE can do something about these damn gil sellers... Snipers rings went from 500k each to 750k each in under a week on Asura this week. Its crazy! Im glad I signed the petition!
#23 Nov 17 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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JimmyWibble wrote:
I really, REALLY hope SE can do something about these damn gil sellers... Snipers rings went from 500k each to 750k each in under a week on Asura this week. Its crazy! Im glad I signed the petition!


Remember that prices going up are far more a matter of supply and demand then any breach of the TOS. Gilsellers only affect prices when they either have a total monopoly on an item (which I admit does happen at times) or, more importantly, when they add "new money" to the economy.

The 24/7 NM campers are wretched in a lot of ways, but they do not cause general inflation. They can't, as their money is coming directly through the free market from other players. General inflation is caused by getting gil from quests and selling to NPCs. The biggest culprit for inflation is, quite simply, fishing and selling the fish to NPCs. Frankly I strongly believe that a growing player base is far more responsible than any third-party company.
#24 Nov 17 2004 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Great work on the petition.. hopefully we will see some improvement on the amount of time it takes to sort things out Smiley: glare

and as for this

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that all they never say i call a GM and he say that how in he11 do they git ther jobs? i will like to be a GM so i can stop this ppl ever say they r gil sellers so im like wtf how hard is it to delete or ban for a few days


You need to atleast type in proper english before you even think about getting a job as a GM
back to school for you
#25 Nov 17 2004 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
I dont believe it until I see some proof.
#26 Nov 17 2004 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote]there is one line that gets me tho "Our Players are everything to us" (or something like that). I have yet to see any evidence of this, with any previous problems...
SE made this problem, they gimped all the good ways to get money, fishing etc and now we see the result. [quote]

SE does care about their customers. SE has lowered spells MP cost because you wanted it, SE has lowered the level on spells because you wanted it (Raise is 1 I can think of), SE has given weapons to jobs that oribinally never had them (BLM with Scyth, DRG with some crossbows), etc... and I could go on. The reason they where gimped is because palyers wanted them gimped. Take the rusty caps for example.

People complained about Raboa(sp) and how you could fish up a rusty cap, synth it, and trade it in for lots of cash. Most people where complaining saying that it was fish botters doing this. So what did SE do - they nerfed the rusty caps - and now everyone is mad because rusty caps are worth crap now.

I for one am a Smither. Rusty caps was the only good synth I was looking for because you loose a lot of money as a smither in the first 30 levels, and rusty caps was a way to get some of it back. Because people where complaining that the botters where getting all this money, all a person had to do was take some time for themselves and level Smithing / Fishing and guess waht - they could do the same thing if they wanted. But since the majority wanted it nerfed, SE nerfed it, and now people are mad cause they nerfed it.

We can not place ALL the blame on SE for this problem. SE has made various ways for a person to make money, but has nerfed a lot of them due to players wanting it nerfed. A lot of people want it easy, they don't want to work for anything (eg. making all NM drops Rare/EX, or hgher drop rates, etc...). People complain about not having money, but they don't want to take the time to level a craft so that they can make some money or farm quest items to make money either. For instance: A lvl 1 (yes LEVEL 1) leathercrafter can make vegabond glove which costs about 1k to make (if you farm the materials), and sells for 2 - 3k - thats a 1 - 2k profit from the start.

Yes, SE holds some of the blame for allowing it to continue, but you can not blame SE for the problem either, the rpoblem was cased by players.

Naturi
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