So, I was camping Stoper Chyme today, and started talking with person there, I asked them "English?" They said "No, chinese." So I replied with "Are you a Gil Seller?" They said "Yes" So, I submit a GM call and it went a little something like this;
Convo SS 1
Convo SS 2
Convo SS 3
Convo SS 4
And that was it... pathetic is all I have to say.
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Omg you people haven't figured out that people don't care? that they are tired of reading these stupid meaningless threads leave us alone and find another horse for the love of...>_> me...
Might be better if you typed up the conversation from your screens as it's a little hard to read like that.
There's a simple solution that you can put into practice if you are bothered by gilsellers and feel that there is absolutely no way to enjoy the game while they (the gilsellers) are around.
QUIT PLAYING THE GAME
QUIT PLAYING THE GAME
Ok... I try to not respond to the same recycled posts that have been cluttering the board... But I'm getting a bit tired of it... welcome to my more user friendly version of a rant.
I really feel sorry for the GM's and the jobs that they have to do... and I believe the biggest misunderstanding the community has is what these guys are responcible for doing. Whenever I have seen a problem within their power to solve... they've solved it. That disgusting pervert yelling obscenities? Banned. The person who falls into the water in windurst? Saved.
These guys are doing their jobs... and I'd rather see them saving people from graphics errors and taking out racest biggots spaming the cities then hunting every gil seller, botter and gil buyer on the server.
Let these guys do their jobs *please* They're not the lazy do-nothing slobs people have demonized them out to be.
I really feel sorry for the GM's and the jobs that they have to do... and I believe the biggest misunderstanding the community has is what these guys are responcible for doing. Whenever I have seen a problem within their power to solve... they've solved it. That disgusting pervert yelling obscenities? Banned. The person who falls into the water in windurst? Saved.
These guys are doing their jobs... and I'd rather see them saving people from graphics errors and taking out racest biggots spaming the cities then hunting every gil seller, botter and gil buyer on the server.
Let these guys do their jobs *please* They're not the lazy do-nothing slobs people have demonized them out to be.
To the OP: I guess you haven't been doing your research... SE put up an order to the GMs to temporarily stay out of gilsellers business for the time being. SE I think is trying to find away to fix the current problems. There will be a day when the SE will finally be able to gain a foothold over these gilsellers. If you continously type threads like this, then its all gone. Some of us have faith, and are patient. If FFXI does end, you gain patrial blame for this and linkshells, friends will be torn apart because of your lack of believing in a better tomorrow.\
If it bothers you that much, then please just leave. SE doesn't need people like you bothering them with all of these little stunts. They are trying to fix the problems, but they can't with all of these interruptions.
If it bothers you that much, then please just leave. SE doesn't need people like you bothering them with all of these little stunts. They are trying to fix the problems, but they can't with all of these interruptions.
Like xmasterpent said, SE ordered the GMs to lay off for a while so they can find some legal info. It has also been established that SE isn't as strict on gil-sellers as... say... Blizzard.
EDIT: and it's not the GM's fault for not banning all gilsellers on sight. If you could do something like... say, turn in a pickpocket but you'd lose your job if you did... would you? Thing is these guys could get fired if they do stuff out of their jurisdiction. So "Thanks for nothing" and "that's kinda sad" don't ***** at the GMs man, they're just trying to do their job and trying to make a living.
Edited, Wed Jan 19 23:37:01 2005 by ArkhanTerra
EDIT: and it's not the GM's fault for not banning all gilsellers on sight. If you could do something like... say, turn in a pickpocket but you'd lose your job if you did... would you? Thing is these guys could get fired if they do stuff out of their jurisdiction. So "Thanks for nothing" and "that's kinda sad" don't ***** at the GMs man, they're just trying to do their job and trying to make a living.
Edited, Wed Jan 19 23:37:01 2005 by ArkhanTerra
I called my local Channel 11 to report a problem I had with a small business. The news team were always talking about how companies scam unwary customers and showing it on TV, so this time I was one of those customers.
When I asked them to get this guy to refund the money I had paid him for services unrendered, they told me, the police should be contacted first in these matters.
I was pissed. I mean, Channel 11 talks all the time about bad people who run illegal practices, why couldn't they help me get my money back and run this guy out of business?
They were pretty much useless in this situation, and I didn't want to call the cops because after all this frustration and learning that they couldn't do anything about this situation that they were well aware of, I just decided to tell my friends about this company and ruin their reputation instead of taking further action.
Banning people isn't solving the problem. Thats just delaying the inevitable. SE is trying to find a way to sue these companies. Banning the workers IDs won't stop them from coming back.
xmasterpent wrote:
Banning people isn't solving the problem. Thats just delaying the inevitable. SE is trying to find a way to sue these companies. Banning the workers IDs won't stop them from coming back.
I also had a similar talk with a GM about this:
[GM]Thalina: And if you walk up to a person and say, "Do you sell gil", we cannot accept that as proof. For one we
[GM]Thalina: cannot take entrapment. And two, we would have to take the same action against you for Real Money
[GM]Thalina: Trading.
Me: Wow, strict rules.
[GM]Thalina: We cannot turn our backs on violations.
Ban this, ban that, what is it really going to do. THe same people keep saying SE should ban more gilsellers but unless you go after the business, its a waste of time. Be glad SE has that kind of thinking, rather than perpetually ban people and still have problems.
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There's a simple solution that you can put into practice if you are bothered by gilsellers and feel that there is absolutely no way to enjoy the game while they (the gilsellers) are around.
QUIT PLAYING THE GAME
QUIT PLAYING THE GAME
Theres a simple solution that you can put into practice if you are bothered by threads tlaking about gilselling
QUIT READING THE THREADS the threads that have to do with gilselling, I don't agree with in-game marriages but I don't nuke someone's thread everytime its posted, no one is forcing any of you to read this thread, so why flame and rate down the op?
and yea its crap..because technically you can't get banend for gilselling, but you can get banned for harassing gilsellers >.>,
Nothing is stated about selling gil or bots int he TOS, but their is a section on harassing others players....
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Ban this, ban that, what is it really going to do. THe same people keep saying SE should ban more gilsellers but unless you go after the business, its a waste of time. Be glad SE has that kind of thinking, rather than perpetually ban people and still have problems.
Thats just it SE CAN'T go after the business, Gilselling isn't even ILLEGAL theres nothing in the TOS that says you can't sell gil, theres nothing in the TOS about any of that, it was an unforseen outcome and now SE's hands are tied.
P.S. It's impossible for SE to ban gilsellers, or ban accounts connected with gil selling websites, don't believe me, click the link in my sig.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 01:07:06 2005 by PandemonaTheMagnificent
Edited, Thu Jan 20 01:07:17 2005 by PandemonaTheMagnificent
Edited, Thu Jan 20 01:25:03 2005 by PandemonaTheMagnificent
Another thing thing I would like to say. Hypotheically(sp), if the day SE was finally able to sue the gil selling companies ever did come, and more than 50% of all gilsellers(this applies to each everyone that sold gil) were banned that would be great day. Though this comes with a price. I wouldn't be suprised if SE prevented people that quit to get accounts. Think of it as punishment for not sticking it through in the long run and having faith. Those that did stay loyal would get rewarded.
This is all just a theory, don't take it seriously.
This is all just a theory, don't take it seriously.
Actually it is Pandemona, haven't you been reading my posts? It is all part of SE plan. There not like Blizzard and there one track banning policy to end all RMT. SE actually wants to make a difference. If the company is sued, the workers end up with no jobs. They go to another company, then that company gets nuked, no jobs again.
Now read my hypothetical(sp) theory again and again to yourself.
Btw, have you thought of a counterstatement for my friends concept?
Now read my hypothetical(sp) theory again and again to yourself.
Btw, have you thought of a counterstatement for my friends concept?
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Theres a simple solution that you can put into practice if you are bothered by threads tlaking about gilselling
QUIT READING THE THREADS the threads that have to do with gilselling, I don't agree with in-game marriages but I don't nuke someone's thread everytime its posted, no one is forcing any of you to read this thread, so why flame and rate down the op?
QUIT READING THE THREADS the threads that have to do with gilselling, I don't agree with in-game marriages but I don't nuke someone's thread everytime its posted, no one is forcing any of you to read this thread, so why flame and rate down the op?
I'm not bothered by threads like this... I find them amusing.
Actually... truth be told I find your reply to my post equally amusing... but for different reasons. Think about it for a second and I'm sure you'll see why.
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Thats just it SE CAN'T go after the business, Gilselling isn't even ILLEGAL theres nothing in the TOS that says you can't sell gil, theres nothing in the TOS about any of that, it was an unforseen outcome and now SE's hands are tied.
Gil is considered the property of Square-Enix (the legal term is intellectual copyright if I'm not mistaken). It is illegal for any entity (individual or company) to make use of anything that is covered under intellectual copyright if said entity does not have written permission from the intellectual copyright holder.
Thats why you can't copy an image from a website to your computer and use it as you see fit without first contacting the owner of the website.
Thats why you can't copy software and distribute it (either for free or for money).
The only thing keeping S-E from pursuing legal action at this time is the fact that in order to pursue legal action, there must be substantial evidence that links the trading of real world currency for in-game gil. And the only substantial evidence that any international court would accept would be transaction receipts... which most of the gilselling outfits aren't required to keep due to their location (China).
Edited, Thu Jan 20 01:39:09 2005 by oberonqa
Stephen Hawking theorized that radiation could be emitted from a black hole, despite the belief that nothing could escape it's grasp. This radiation is called Hawking Radiation.
Valdarium, it is you that is patheitc. Your one of those people would be glad to see so many people banned, then rant that they come back. Banning does not stop them, they can come back.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 09:30:23 2005 by xmasterpent
Edited, Thu Jan 20 09:30:23 2005 by xmasterpent
Enamel is hardest substance in the human body.
OK normally, i would hijack this post, but my boredom-induced affiliation w/ the inquisition shows me that they (exodus) suck. SO say whatever u want over and over, who cares anymore, clog up the boards w/ the same old post over and over, have fun.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 09:41:48 2005 by MrBojanglesJr
Edited, Thu Jan 20 09:41:48 2005 by MrBojanglesJr
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Banning people isn't solving the problem. Thats just delaying the inevitable. SE is trying to find a way to sue these companies. Banning the workers IDs won't stop them from coming back.
Yeah, and putting people in jail don't stop crime either, still we bother to do it, go figure.
Would they enforce their own rules (only account owner can play said account, and nobody human can *actively* play 24/7) SE would have solved the problem a long time ago.
ARE YOU STUPID?!?!
Sorry, just had to get that out. Only way to stop them, stop buying gil. Which is never gonna happen. Let it die already.
Sorry, just had to get that out. Only way to stop them, stop buying gil. Which is never gonna happen. Let it die already.
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The reasons we laugh, including "contagious" laughter, may be products of evolution.
Natural laughter is a two-part, spontaneous, response to humor, that has physiological, psychological, and physical benefits.
Most agree that we laugh when we find something to be humorous, yet different reasons exist for what we find to be humorous. Additionally, different things are humorous to us at different stages of life.
Laughter, a physiological response to humor, can be broken down into two parts.
The first is a set of gestures, and the second is the production of sound. The brain forces to conduct both responses simultaneously. From a physiological standpoint, a "sensor" in the brain responds to laughter by triggering other neural circuits in the brain, which, in turn, generate more laughter.
Oddly enough, laughter is an orderly response, and almost occurs "spontaneously" during pauses at the end of phrases, earning it the name the punctuation effect. Human beings are the only species capable of laughter, and the average adult does so approximately 17 times per day.
Good health is one of the many benefits of laughter. Laughter reduces our stress levels by reducing the level of stress hormones, and also helps us cope with serious illnesses.
Physiologically, laughter promotes healing, by lowering the blood pressure, and by increasing the vascular blood flow and the oxygenation of the blood.
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