Hi, I often hear a lot of people say "SE made this game so it is impossible to solo without a party after 30", they did not, you just haven't realized it yet.
think about it, when does it start becoming impossible to solo without getting killed on a lot of jobs? around 30ish actually. well guess what SE put in the game at lvl 30 to allow you to continue and make "decent" xp while waiting for an invite, BST! :D
I just want to clarify that bst as a subjob WILL work for any job at any level.
yes, SE still implemented the punishment for soloing, the xp is a lot slower and more risky, but with some practice, i promise any job can make at least 100 xp per fight if done right.
it is possible to bring in a couple thousand experience while seeking a party, bring a warp scroll, clarify your subjobs in your search comment, and give it a go.
i'm lvl 68 bst right now, i have 37,000 xp tnl, that sounds like a lot, but if you could even muster out 5-10k xp a day, you can get a level in under a week, and that's just from the time spent lfg. at lower levels you should be able to bust out at least 1 level a day.
just something to consider.
you will die a lot at first, it takes some learning, but it can be done successfully once you get the system down.
Edited, Thu Mar 3 17:33:58 2005 by melbolt
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Edited, Thu Mar 3 17:37:09 2005 by melbolt
Sounds like good advice. A few details about your personal experience might help. What level mobs were you charming/fighting. If charm is strictly based on your CHR and not level BST then that's definitely a viable option, but I haven't personally tried it yet since I'm currently leveling my BST which is only at 17.
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You just can't use jugs and pet food is all. Isn't charm chr affected? There is no 'charm' skill so there is nothing to 1/2 level like if a war subs whm and gets enhancement/etc. gimped by half. I've seen brd/bst before, so I imagine it would work just fine. brd even gets charm at 75, but I am not sure if is chr affected like bst charm. I haved used it is a brd to farm weaker creatures, it helps, but never subbed it. rdm/bst would be pretty badass.
no job ability in this game is broken, not even charm, chr will enhance your success but it is not the only determinant. it's kind of like a blm's magic, you can still do good damage without all the fancy gear but you can do better damage with all the fancy gear.
yes you can....
and bst isnt the only/best way to do it!
2 tricks for soloing at most levels:
LEVEL RANGED
if you job supports ranged as a skill....use it
with the right gear, you can be hitting worms and etc for mass dmg
yellow curry does wonders
LEVEL nin to 12
utusumi: ichi ... ever heard of it?
with this almost any job can solo!
if you combine this with Bind and or Sleep, you have enough time to move away, cast utusumi and run back!
jobs i know this works for
rdm/nin
blm/nin
brd/nin (slow but heh go lullaby!)
drk/nin
any job that can use sleep arrows can probly solo decent challenges-easy prey... for a good 25-50+ exp each
this especially great when your seeking pts in qufim...for hours on end
worms are Great exp if you can silence them/ negate thier damage
the exp is slower but hey its exp! and its better than sitting like a stump for 3 hours
also: note your job strengths!!
drk for example, has a lovely ability called arcana killer
add in a thf sub....cap enfeebling magic..... wam
you can now solo even match weapons
sleep-> trick attack -> sleep -> drain -> sleep ->trick
this was amazing to me, i had 5 high level people want by spamming at me to call for help and in response i pulled out
last resort+ soul eater + trick
mob died
ppl clapped
i hit 32
^^
and bst isnt the only/best way to do it!
2 tricks for soloing at most levels:
LEVEL RANGED
if you job supports ranged as a skill....use it
with the right gear, you can be hitting worms and etc for mass dmg
yellow curry does wonders
LEVEL nin to 12
utusumi: ichi ... ever heard of it?
with this almost any job can solo!
if you combine this with Bind and or Sleep, you have enough time to move away, cast utusumi and run back!
jobs i know this works for
rdm/nin
blm/nin
brd/nin (slow but heh go lullaby!)
drk/nin
any job that can use sleep arrows can probly solo decent challenges-easy prey... for a good 25-50+ exp each
this especially great when your seeking pts in qufim...for hours on end
worms are Great exp if you can silence them/ negate thier damage
the exp is slower but hey its exp! and its better than sitting like a stump for 3 hours
also: note your job strengths!!
drk for example, has a lovely ability called arcana killer
add in a thf sub....cap enfeebling magic..... wam
you can now solo even match weapons
sleep-> trick attack -> sleep -> drain -> sleep ->trick
this was amazing to me, i had 5 high level people want by spamming at me to call for help and in response i pulled out
last resort+ soul eater + trick
mob died
ppl clapped
i hit 32
^^
You know what truly sucks? People who play this game and really enjoy soloing have to wait until level 30 to unlock the job that is designed for solo players, ie BST.
Or let's say somebody only has a few hours a week to play, maybe 1 or 2 hours a night (e.g. they have kids, like I do). That's not long enough to party, I mean it often takes that long just to FIND a pt. So we have to effectively solo to 30 if we want to be able to solo effectively as a BST thereafter.
I can understand the design decision behind this, but come on, make it lvl 25 or something. Soloing from 26-30 is a drag. I'm at lvl 29, and the last 5k to 30 is SOOOO SLOWWWW.
<Leeches and Pugs in Bubu> <Do you want them?>
EDIT - btw, have you ever tried soloing worms in Qufim when there are parties around? They get REALLY annoyed. Avoid it if you can.
Edited, Thu Mar 3 18:23:06 2005 by midnightjade
Edited, Thu Mar 3 18:20:41 2005 by midnightjade
Or let's say somebody only has a few hours a week to play, maybe 1 or 2 hours a night (e.g. they have kids, like I do). That's not long enough to party, I mean it often takes that long just to FIND a pt. So we have to effectively solo to 30 if we want to be able to solo effectively as a BST thereafter.
I can understand the design decision behind this, but come on, make it lvl 25 or something. Soloing from 26-30 is a drag. I'm at lvl 29, and the last 5k to 30 is SOOOO SLOWWWW.
<Leeches and Pugs in Bubu> <Do you want them?>
EDIT - btw, have you ever tried soloing worms in Qufim when there are parties around? They get REALLY annoyed. Avoid it if you can.
Edited, Thu Mar 3 18:23:06 2005 by midnightjade
Edited, Thu Mar 3 18:20:41 2005 by midnightjade
Honestly, I've never even considered BST as a sub. If there has been discussion of it on here before I've missed all of it. Rate up for an intriguing idea.
Even with bst it isn't so easy to get much done in an hour or two. you still need to get to an xp zone without farmers and a lot of parties (at lower levels) and then get back or carry a warp scroll.
Bst is not an easy job and not for the faint of heart. You can solo, but, at least at my level, you can't release and you can't tear through mobs. One ***** up and you're dead with no whm around. Use your reraise scroll and bite it, it's 10% every time. Death sucks and it WILL happen.
Bst is not an easy job and not for the faint of heart. You can solo, but, at least at my level, you can't release and you can't tear through mobs. One ***** up and you're dead with no whm around. Use your reraise scroll and bite it, it's 10% every time. Death sucks and it WILL happen.
Only real downfall is no release till lvl 70. As a bst, I can say that up till I got release, solo exp wasnt to great. Well, there was times it was good. But you really shine once you get release.
Ive soloed exp as WHM/BST, BLM/BST, and RDM/BST before. It does work pretty nicely. Especially RDM/BST. Now thats a fun combo especially at 70RDM/BST. The charm success rate has been fabled to be dependent on the actual lvl of your BST. I have hardly any charming problems since my BST is 71. I hear my friend who has a 55WHM and a low /BST that couldnt charm anything to save his life.
Also /BST u can solo skill up very easily as your pet tanks.
Also /BST u can solo skill up very easily as your pet tanks.
You might not be able to unlock beast until level 30...BUT
think about it this way, if you do your research before you start the game, and level white mage to level 30, you've got yourself a beast subjob fully levelled until level 60. If you just go until 37 while you're on a whm kick you've got a full levelled subjob, the level needed to warp yourself as whm/blm or bst/blm with enough mp+ equip. And the ability to teleport others to the three main crags if you need money.
think about it this way, if you do your research before you start the game, and level white mage to level 30, you've got yourself a beast subjob fully levelled until level 60. If you just go until 37 while you're on a whm kick you've got a full levelled subjob, the level needed to warp yourself as whm/blm or bst/blm with enough mp+ equip. And the ability to teleport others to the three main crags if you need money.
I tried it... /bst doesn't work well for exp. It is only good for solo skill up. At 71 pld, pld/bst couldn't even charm TWTBW for 70%+. That's with +10CHR gear already. My bst is only 38. But if i use bst38 to con that mod, it is VT or IT.
If you want to lvl, u usually need some mob that is dc to even in order to hold hate. However, there is a time when u r in the fighting and your pet got uncharmed. At this moment, u have 2 pets to take care of. Charm is not 100% as /bst. It is really low. Tanking 2 mobs at the same thing. Even as pld, I can die in like 10 sec. That's around the time that u fail the first charm and still waiting for second one to recast.
If you want to lvl, u usually need some mob that is dc to even in order to hold hate. However, there is a time when u r in the fighting and your pet got uncharmed. At this moment, u have 2 pets to take care of. Charm is not 100% as /bst. It is really low. Tanking 2 mobs at the same thing. Even as pld, I can die in like 10 sec. That's around the time that u fail the first charm and still waiting for second one to recast.
There's an active thread on the BST forums that relates to this, if people want to have a looky:
The Adventures of a WHM/BST
Subbing BST can be a very good way to make yourself a one-man skill-up party. Your pet can tank the mobs quite happily whilst you whack away with your weapon of choice, you should be able to charm EMs reasonably well which will let you safely fight anything up to DC (much above that any it's more likely they enemy may win the fight if you're not doing much damage - the enemy can use TP attacks constantly, your pet can only use it when you issue the BST25 Sic command).
As has been mentioned, it's believed by some/many that the actual level of your BST job effects the charm sucess when subbing BST. comparing to all other jobs, this makes no sense, but there's some decent evidence around that suggests the theory has some merit. I'll give some examples of how it's thought to work:
Someone has the jobs: BST20, WHM40, RDM20
BST20/WHM10 will have great charm success rates.
RDM20/BST10 will have almost as good charm success rates (yes, even on EMs!)
WHM40/BST20 will have a very hard time, and fail a lot on anything much over EP.
According to the theory, if they now level BST to 40, their WHM40/BST20 will now be able to get good charm rates on EMs. Yes, it makes no sense, but it atleast seems to work like that. It should be noted that according to the theory if they now level BST to 75, their BST40/BST20 will still have the exact same charm success rate as when their BST was 40.
Basically if you want to solo effectively with a BST subjob, you're going to need to level your BST job up to the level of the main job you want to solo with. It can certainly be a fun way to skip Valkurm though - Charming Tarutaru MNK, AWAAAAY!
Edited, Thu Mar 3 19:29:24 2005 by Ryotu
The Adventures of a WHM/BST
Subbing BST can be a very good way to make yourself a one-man skill-up party. Your pet can tank the mobs quite happily whilst you whack away with your weapon of choice, you should be able to charm EMs reasonably well which will let you safely fight anything up to DC (much above that any it's more likely they enemy may win the fight if you're not doing much damage - the enemy can use TP attacks constantly, your pet can only use it when you issue the BST25 Sic command).
As has been mentioned, it's believed by some/many that the actual level of your BST job effects the charm sucess when subbing BST. comparing to all other jobs, this makes no sense, but there's some decent evidence around that suggests the theory has some merit. I'll give some examples of how it's thought to work:
Someone has the jobs: BST20, WHM40, RDM20
BST20/WHM10 will have great charm success rates.
RDM20/BST10 will have almost as good charm success rates (yes, even on EMs!)
WHM40/BST20 will have a very hard time, and fail a lot on anything much over EP.
According to the theory, if they now level BST to 40, their WHM40/BST20 will now be able to get good charm rates on EMs. Yes, it makes no sense, but it atleast seems to work like that. It should be noted that according to the theory if they now level BST to 75, their BST40/BST20 will still have the exact same charm success rate as when their BST was 40.
Basically if you want to solo effectively with a BST subjob, you're going to need to level your BST job up to the level of the main job you want to solo with. It can certainly be a fun way to skip Valkurm though - Charming Tarutaru MNK, AWAAAAY!
Edited, Thu Mar 3 19:29:24 2005 by Ryotu
yup, i tried it as taru blm/bst with +40 or so chr. level 65 or so/30 and couldnt charm EP spiders. at all. i tried 12 times in a row and gave up. if my bst was 75 im sure it would have been easy if the rumor is indeed true.
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yup, i tried it as taru blm/bst with +40 or so chr. level 65 or so/30 and couldnt charm EP spiders. at all. i tried 12 times in a row and gave up. if my bst was 75 im sure it would have been easy if the rumor is indeed true.
i see rdm/bst all the time in high level zones running around with 60+ mobs charmed.
Yea, I have seen a few people in ssg now and again farming with a mousse pet. Slimes are hard to charm even as a bst, so im sure its tough with it subbed. However if you can land it, you can do some good skilling up or farming. As slime pets are by far best bst pet there is. They have a sick amount of hp, hit pretty good, nice abilities. ^^
Do not underestimate the power of /whm with any job. Even WAR/WHM will do ok solo-ing some EP and DC's. Also if your job can use Bloody Bolts, by all means level that marksmanship and use Bloody Bolts!
I bet you that all the people that went out to solo and got beaten by a lowly DC went out equiped like they would go to a regular XP PT. Solo-ing = you are your own 6 man PT. You have to have a way to cure yourself otherwise you're just asking for trouble(with the exception of NIN/ of course since they can and will be able to take almost 0 damage).
Just compare notes with some of the better solo jobs in the game and you'll notice a pattern:
thf/nin = utsumi(however you spell that ><) + bloody bolts.
nin/anything = utsumi(argh) x2
bst/whm = have a pet help tank but ding! can cure himself/herself in a pinch.
drg/any mage sub = DD + wyvern cure
rdm/nin = utsumi ( D: ) + blink + stoneskin + phalanx + cure
even drk/whm can solo decently.
I bet you that all the people that went out to solo and got beaten by a lowly DC went out equiped like they would go to a regular XP PT. Solo-ing = you are your own 6 man PT. You have to have a way to cure yourself otherwise you're just asking for trouble(with the exception of NIN/ of course since they can and will be able to take almost 0 damage).
Just compare notes with some of the better solo jobs in the game and you'll notice a pattern:
thf/nin = utsumi(however you spell that ><) + bloody bolts.
nin/anything = utsumi(argh) x2
bst/whm = have a pet help tank but ding! can cure himself/herself in a pinch.
drg/any mage sub = DD + wyvern cure
rdm/nin = utsumi ( D: ) + blink + stoneskin + phalanx + cure
even drk/whm can solo decently.
there was also a war 74/bst 32 competing with me to camp the lvl 70ish gob NM in kuftal tunnel. I let him have it and he was able to beat it with beastmaster subbed.
ffxi.cannotlinkto claims it takes 4 lvl 70ish players to defeat this gob, the bst subbed allowed the war to solo it.
he charmed a raptor successfully, these are as hard as slimes to charm.
ffxi.cannotlinkto claims it takes 4 lvl 70ish players to defeat this gob, the bst subbed allowed the war to solo it.
he charmed a raptor successfully, these are as hard as slimes to charm.
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there was also a war 74/bst 32 competing with me to camp the lvl 70ish gob NM in kuftal tunnel. I let him have it and he was able to beat it with beastmaster subbed.
Mickt? His Beastmaster is in the 60's, maybe higher.
I'm going to try this out myself. I have 2 characters with the Beastmaster job - one 20 (with another job at 30), one 66 (with another job at 58). I don't have much going on tonight - I think I'll give this a try!
From what I have seen... a WHM friend of mine (was ~60/20 at the time) could not charm TWTBW crabs with any sort of success in Lufaise Medows. When he used guage, it said they "would be very difficult to charm".
If I were a Galka, I don't know how confident I would be about subbing BST for solo with a pitiful CHR rating. DC's could actually become a challange to charm if you have a main job that does nothing for CHR. Might be a good idea to have a good deal of CHR+ equip and a good equip switch macro.
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If I were a Galka, I don't know how confident I would be about subbing BST for solo with a pitiful CHR rating. DC's could actually become a challange to charm if you have a main job that does nothing for CHR. Might be a good idea to have a good deal of CHR+ equip and a good equip switch macro.
if you played bst past 60 you would start to realize that chr = squat. i use a whopping +12 on my galka and rarely fail, my tarutaru partner uses 25+ and sometimes fails more than me.
seems to me that the only thing chr affects is the job ability gauge lol.
also, a bst has begun testing gear stat effectiveness on charming in the bst forums, out of something like 400 or 500 charms the stats show there is a 1% difference in charm success between chr gear and no chr gear.
when i hit 75 i'm going to do some massive tests to find out what really determines it.
Edited, Thu Mar 3 19:57:00 2005 by melbolt
as 72RDM/BST i have very little to no trouble charming EM or DC pets the same exact way I would of as my BST. So the myth of your real BST lvl relating to your charm success is absolutely true then.
But then do you think someone could solo other jobs all the way efficiently once obtaining beastmaster 75 and subbing it?
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