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#27 Jul 25 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'm honestly worried because I have a crafting mule with about 35 million gil on it. I sell crafting things, and things in my bazaar, and randomly send money from it to my main character. And as others have said, I've always kept large sums of money on a mule so I don't impulse-buy. I'm actually very Frugal with my money. I'm scared to death though that I'm going to lose what I've built up for years in gil.

And I know if I ever got banned people would just give the same BS arguments "You were obviously doing something wrong!" "Why haven't "I" been banned?" "Stop buying gil!" etc. Swear to God I cannot stand the fanboys anymore. I love FFXI, but people who cannot see some of the enormous mistakes SE has been making lately are completely indenile.

I for one, do not welcome SE's new Autoban-Programs. I don't care if I get RMT /tells or if there are RMT around if that's what it has to mean. It doesn't mean jack when innocent people are being banned.
#28 Jul 25 2009 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Every day, I'm afraid I will log on and find my account locked by a soulless autometed program for no clearly explained reason and not get it back.


This is exactly how I'm feeling, btw I had more then 20M on my mule account from accumlation over the last 6 years with my linkshell... We were working on a Relic Horn for the shell hoping to push the shell to the next level. There was storage of things like dynamis currency, khorma ores waiting to be crafted to Imp. Wootz Ingots for salvage body pieces, TONS of sea pop items, getting ready for Jailer of Love, tons of sky pop items, for new invites to the shell that needed sky items. The whole point was the gil on the mule NEVER moves, unless it was going to a ls member.

I have 6 accounts, to see 5 of them fine and the one account with credit card trouble suddenly be guilty of "RMT activity" is just downright depressing. My main characters are fine. I have 75 BRD WHM RDM BLM SMN NIN PLD COR WAR PLD THF BLU, and the next highest being a 64 DRK...

I don't want this to happen to anyone else. I don't want to be called an RMT by anyone. (Actually none of you have I mean SE specifically)

My discouragement comes from another linkshell that I care about also had their mule banned with one rep after the other rude to them.

I'm going to continue to pound SE on behalf of all of us. BTW again thank you all for the support. You guys are the best!
#29 Jul 25 2009 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Endless Journey, thats extremely dangerous thats what I was doing on my Gummynet account the one that was banned. THATS THE EXACT THING... Then they added more then one person had access to my account even though I have a security token on it.

I also have:

2 Sprint Aircards I used on my notebook and a backup wireless 3G router.
1 Verizon Access Card
1 Charter Internet (@Home)
1 AT&T DSL Internet (@Work)

Somehow this is causing red flags also.

I'm thinking at this point, you need to trigger RMT-PWNER 1.337's attention before your account is check for certain criteria now... Problem is they are probably being overwhelmed by how many reports of wrongfully banned accounts.
#30 Jul 25 2009 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Wow SE, come on.
They expect current players to invest into both FF11 and Rapture soon, and pull new stuff like this.

ps: Wheres SE community lately? They did like 1-2 posts for damage control, and poof are gone again soon as we relax. Something tells me there might be another appearance soon cuz this is BS and this post does a good job of highlighting it.

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 9:19pm by RattyBatty
#31 Jul 25 2009 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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I remember when SE did absolutely nothing about RMT and we had to sit and watch RMT kill Ullikummi over and over with almost zero hope of ever getting the claim ourselves.

SE going the opposite extreme is much better in my books. I like being able to camp NMs and HNMs without having 30-50 known RMT gil farmers breathing down my neck. I hope SE keeps pushing RMT into corners.

The changes they made to sky were good ones, but "legit players" botting always seemed to be far more of an issue than RMT when it came to HNM.


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It's a case of giving the playerbase what they ask for and the playerbase complaining about the results. This happens pretty much any time they do anything, so I'm fairly certain that complaints are falling on deaf ears anymore. Really it's the natural consequence, I hope that they do manage to sort out the accounts of those banned in error though.


There's no denying that the playerbase as a whole complains a lot. But implying that SE's half-assed method of patrolling their game is somehow the fault of the playerbase is ignorant.

If you complained to your city officials that something more needed to be done about crime; there would be a lot of very angry people if the police just started arresting and jailing people without doing an sort of investigation first.
#32 Jul 25 2009 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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I'm starting to seriously believe the theory that they are attempting to drive people away from FFXI.


The ****** part about it is that people will be stuck with these rickety old servers for another 7 years when FFXIV comes out.
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#33 Jul 25 2009 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Another day, another streak of bannings. Might as well ban me at this point, it would save me from having to cancel my account.
#34 Jul 25 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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This is why you don't try to force your wills on heartless corporations. All those scathing rants, angry emails, and furious petitions? Welcome to the end result; Square doing exactly what was asked of them.

RMT was annoying, for certain. However, now people have to live in fear of Square banning them outright, and almost all methods of obtaining money being removed from the system. Yeah, this is certainly the better alternative.
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#35 Jul 25 2009 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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SE has taken a "Big Brother" approach to this game that is down right scary. I'm getting a lil paranoid about things.

There's a mithra (npc) outside of just about every mog house who asks, "Want to know about gardening?" I scream HELL NO and run away!

I'll /sea all mount zylom (sp) and see the same 5 /anon ppl there all day long and worry that I'll get flagged for rmt if I try mining there.

I essentially cannot change rl banks because SE will ban me if I try to pay my 4+year old account with another cc.

Heaven forbid SE ever makes a mistake billing me. If it's a double, triple or even quadruple charge I'm letting it go.

I cringe with fear everytime I mule gil to my main character.

One day while farming beastmen blood in pashow, a lvl 20 no sub taru whm, naked save a few pieces of lvl 1 gear, came up and asked me the way to jeuno. I was afraid to even speak to him for fear of being caught up in a SE's automated rmtpwner1337.

I'm afraid that all those brogames tells will somehow connect me to rmt via rmtpwner1337. I'm terrified of even mentioning rmt in any form of chat.

I'll feel relieved if SE actually does ban me. I'm tired of looking over my shoulder even though I've done nothing wrong. There's a ton of MMO's out there, no need to put up with SE's fascist methods. And LOL @ the thought of ever playing FFXIV.

edit: and I agree that cool story bro is dudicality -1



Edited, Jul 25th 2009 8:35pm by DukeofTed
#36 Jul 25 2009 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's a mithra (npc) outside of just about every mog house who asks, "Want to know about gardening?" I scream HELL NO and run away!


I just bursted out laughing when I read this... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Halirious but what you described is how I'm feeling about the game right now. My main characters are all fine. I still have well over 5M in gil. But the bank and my personal piggy bank that I'm so proud of, (hasn't really changed for 2 years, too lazy to farm for gil) is currently being called a RMT bank lol.

I feel so paranoid about the game.

Its hard to let this game go for me at least, its been 6 years of meeting people and playing this game like a 2nd life away from the crappy real life world we live in where everything can be so unfair that having a ban suddenly issued is making our virtual world just as unfair.

About the posts that talk about SE finally doing what the masses wanted them to, you're correct. But there is a way and a method of everything and they went about doing what all us RMT haters wanted them to do with the laziest method they can find. They wrote a poorly designed program to just auto ban people and make them beg for their accounts back.

I think the worse part of this, is that many threads here and other forums have stated how unfair SE is when it comes to banning and un-banning. There's no consistency.

I'm so sad...
#37 Jul 25 2009 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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This is why you don't try to force your wills on heartless corporations. All those scathing rants, angry emails, and furious petitions? Welcome to the end result; Square doing exactly what was asked of them.


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It's a case of giving the playerbase what they ask for and the playerbase complaining about the results.


Square haven't done exactly what was asked of them and they haven't given the playerbase what they wanted at all.

Your argument is stupid.

It's like having an area of high crime and when people complain to the police, they respond by randomly arresting a load of people every day who look a bit dodgy in the hope some of them might be criminals.

Then they say - "Well, it's your fault for complaining. We gave you exactly what you asked for".

Nonsense.

People rightly pointed out the problems with RMT in the game and SE responded by implementing ****** solutions that have done more harm than good. That's no one's fault but SE and their crappy programmers.

What the player base wanted and asked for were solutions that actually work. No one asked for solutions that punish innocent people.

It's just another indication of what a poor quality company SE is and why committing to FFXIV is probably not a good idea.
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#38 Jul 25 2009 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
I guess if nobody is playing then there are no gilsellers so SE FTW!

Theoretically if all legit players quit/are banned and the only people left are gilsellers do you think one group would ask the others if they have extra and that they will pay, or the others ask if they need gil where to go? It would be interesting to see one group buy from another gilselling group but not have any true customers, but believe people play from all the gilsellers
#39 Jul 25 2009 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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I can only hope that the absence of Playonline from FFXIV means better customer service and an overall better experience for the people who do choose to play FFXIV. I guess one can hope SE's customer service will improve with the loss of these guys and they will become more like Blizzard in that if something goes wrong with your account, they will actually help you instead of giving you the standard Playonline answer "we cannot provide more information on this account". Hell, if they just got rid of Playonline for FFXI things might be better for that game as well. *shrug* Either way, not moving to FFXIV even if the customer service is better 100 fold. Not after what happened with FFXI.
#40 Jul 25 2009 at 7:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I guess if nobody is playing then there are no gilsellers so SE FTW!


Its so sad how much this looks like what SE is trying to accomplish.
#41 Jul 25 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Your argument is stupid.

It's like having an area of high crime and when people complain to the police, they respond by randomly arresting a load of people every day who look a bit dodgy in the hope some of them might be criminals.
That's okay, I know civility isn't "angry mob" mentality, nor is rational thought. I, however, am made of much better stuff. No, realistically, its more like having an area of high crime and when people complain to the police, and demand something be done at all costs, they respond by arresting everyone that commits a crime, regardless of the degree. You might not like it, but RMT were doing the same thing the player base was, but on larger scales. They weren't hacking and making money appear out of nowhere. They were botting (The player base also bots), they were farming (The player base also farms), they were gardening (The player base also gardens), and they were questing (The player base also quests). Square was heavy handed. That sucks, but it doesn't make what I said any less true.

"Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it."

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 11:13pm by lolgaxe
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#42 Jul 25 2009 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Flawed logic is flawed. RMT are bad because they were selling and buying gil, not because of the methods they used to do so. SE shouldn't be attacking the methods like they have been, they should be attacking the source of the abuse.

It's like: Say some drug lords bought all the strawberries in the world and were selling them back at their price onry, and taking the money made from doing that to make evil drugs. Then the police step in and either nerf strawberries make strawberries worthless, or arrest everybody growing strawberries.

If you attack the method instead of the cause you get nowhere, and we never asked for that. In fact we loathe SE for the very fact that that is in fact all they have done for the past 7 years.
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#43 Jul 25 2009 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I can only hope that the absence of Playonline from FFXIV means better customer service and an overall better experience for the people who do choose to play FFXIV. I guess one can hope SE's customer service will improve with the loss of these guys and they will become more like Blizzard in that if something goes wrong with your account, they will actually help you instead of giving you the standard Playonline answer "we cannot provide more information on this account". Hell, if they just got rid of Playonline for FFXI things might be better for that game as well. *shrug* Either way, not moving to FFXIV even if the customer service is better 100 fold. Not after what happened with FFXI.


That's cute... you seem to think that playonline and SE are separate entities, or something?
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#44 Jul 25 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Flawed logic is flawed. RMT are bad because they were selling and buying gil, not because of the methods they used to do so. SE shouldn't be attacking the methods like they have been, they should be attacking the source of the abuse.


for one to have gil to sell, one must have a method of acquiring said gil. you cut off the method to make gil and poof no gil to sell.

my opinion is that SE got tired of getting thousands of rmt complaints each month so instead of hiring more people to look at each and every single complaint. it was more cost effective to just create a program that profiles the RMT methods and just ban them rght away. any of you wonder how many people make a gm call when they receive a rmt tell instead of just ignoring it?
#45 Jul 25 2009 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking at this point, you need to trigger RMT-PWNER 1.337's attention before your account is check for certain criteria now... Problem is they are probably being overwhelmed by how many reports of wrongfully banned accounts throwing reports of wrongful bans in the trash because they don't want to deal with the volume of complaints.


fixed.

I think this is the real explanation.


Edited, Jul 26th 2009 2:26am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#46 Jul 25 2009 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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DukeofTed wrote:


Heaven forbid SE ever makes a mistake billing me. If it's a double, triple or even quadruple charge I'm letting it go.



I guess SE is exploring alternative ways to increase their profits. They hold your character for ransom.

(GM holding a gun to a taru's head) "Pay up or the taru gets it see.. yah."


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Edited, Jul 26th 2009 2:40am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#47 Jul 25 2009 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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That's okay, I know civility isn't "angry mob" mentality, nor is rational thought. I, however, am made of much better stuff.


No you're not. Most of the time you're rude, irrational and obnoxious to everyone who doesn't think the same way you do. You're one of the least civil people on the site, hence your reputation.

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No, realistically, its more like having an area of high crime and when people complain to the police, and demand something be done at all costs, they respond by arresting everyone that commits a crime, regardless of the degree. You might not like it, but RMT were doing the same thing the player base was, but on larger scales. They weren't hacking and making money appear out of nowhere. They were botting (The player base also bots), they were farming (The player base also farms), they were gardening (The player base also gardens), and they were questing (The player base also quests). Square was heavy handed. That sucks, but it doesn't make what I said any less true.

"Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it."

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 11:13pm by lolgaxe


They haven't banned only people who committed crimes, they have banned loads of people who haven't as well, that's the point. My original analogy was correct.

And the player base didn't get what they asked for.

They asked SE to get rid of the RMT. They didn't ask SE to get rid of innocent players. They wanted action taken to rid the game of the RMT who ruin it for them. What they got was crappy automated software that bans people indiscriminately. They didn't get what they wanted at all.

The notion that no one should ever ask for anything in the world to be fixed because they might get something totally different to what they asked for that makes things worse is a stupid one. Nothing in the world would ever get fixed or improved. Nothing would progress or evolve. Clearly that doesn't work.

If SE had removed all RMT from the game and the game had somehow become poorer for their absence THEN you could have used your 'Beware what you ask for' line. As it is, it makes no sense now.



Edited, Jul 26th 2009 2:01am by jtftaru
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for one to have gil to sell, one must have a method of acquiring said gil. you cut off the method to make gil and poof no gil to sell.


If you attack the results you get nowhere. Kill method A for everybody, and they move to method B, kill method B for everybody, and they move to method C. Eventually you're left with a game that's completely unplayable.
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#49 Jul 25 2009 at 10:10 PM Rating: Good
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jtftaru wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
That's okay, I know civility isn't "angry mob" mentality, nor is rational thought. I, however, am made of much better stuff.


No you're not. Most of the time you're rude, irrational and obnoxious to everyone who doesn't think the same way you do. You're one of the least civil people on the site, hence your reputation.



Better be careful, the circle jerk protects it's own. Last time he got called on his behavior it ended with the thread being locked.

Edited, Jul 26th 2009 3:15am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#50 Jul 25 2009 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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jtftaru wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
That's okay, I know civility isn't "angry mob" mentality, nor is rational thought. I, however, am made of much better stuff.
No you're not. Most of the time you're rude, irrational and obnoxious to everyone who doesn't think the same way you do. You're one of the least civil people on the site, hence your reputation.
And yet it is you that resorts to name calling. Tsk tsk. Its okay, though. Even if I don't actually remember who you are, I'll forgive you. You're just being brash and irritated by a situation you do not fully comprehend. It happens. Its okay. Once you calm down, you'll feel better. I promise.

We asked to remove RMT. Square found an efficient and stupidly heavy handed method to do it. Like I said, you're angry at the development (which is within reason) and it is clouding your judgment, but that is exactly what is happening. It isn't Square just randomly getting rid of people as you are eluding to. This is the end result of years of badgering. They're as sick of this as we are, and they want to nip it at it's source. The source was gil acquisition. They targeted how the real money traders were making money, and sic'd their program on it. They used a nuke to combat jay walking.

If you'd calm down, you'd realize I'm agreeing with you. What Square is doing is unquestioningly heavy handed. I'm just pointing out that it isn't just a random occurrence. Its years of us asking for this. Maybe next time we'll be a little more careful about what we ask for, especially from this company. I've been saying it for a while, but now it is becoming more apparent.
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#51 Jul 25 2009 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
This whole thing is absolutely rediculous . SE has become so incredibly fanatic over catching RMT that they're completely destroying their own game from within. Seriously, SE has started their own virtual Salem Witch Trials! In many MMOs people farm drops from monsters to sell so that the make cash. After all, that is what those monsters/drops are there for right? Obviously SE is not down with this anymore and has stated that YOU CANNOT FARM NMS TOO MUCH OR WE WILL BAN YOU SO DO NOT TRY TO MAKE MONEY! Its only a matter of time before everyone gets banned for things like saying "Man I need more gil" or "Excuse me can you please teleport me ill pay you!" Obviously SE links everything to RMT and it's only going to get worse.
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