Anyone else with all the Limit breaks were solo?Follow

/rant
And I mean not easy *** Genkai 4 solo. I mean difficult, must know your job solo. And make them every 10 levels instead of every 5 levels after 50. If you suck, I don't want you getting past level 10.

Had a party with a 63 whm tonight. Full level 30 RSE. We asked him to debuff the mob, he said "it's not worth it". Asked him to haste the ninja tank, he said "if you want haste and debuffs get a Rdm".

Come on SE, people like this should not get past 30, let alone 50.

/rantoff

*Edit* meant to have the title say wish, not with.

Edited, Sun Oct 16 17:55:57 2005 by Esdim

They should be Solo.
They should be in a party/alliance all of the same level.
Since this game is all about playing together, its not a solo game.
And what would being able to Solo do for a job that is so dependant on Parties as White Mage?

It's twisted logic.... but the above poster is actually right! But I feel for you :/

Uh...ever hear of para and slow?

So you let someone into a level 63 XP party and they were wearing level 30 RSE? You didn't ask them to change to better armour, or atleast the WHM AF?

The WHM is not the only one with a problem.

Yeah I should have kicked him, few problems though:

A) I'm a summoner, we take parties where we can get them.
B) I wasn't the party leader.

Maybe make one of the Whm limit breaks be that they have to keep a party of NPC's alive on some tough mobs.

Ok gotta agree with this, level capped limit breaks are even better.

Whm/Blm: Dia, Flash, Paralyze, Blind, Slow.

I had never seen full Elvaan RSE before, I actually thought he was wearing the new crow/raven gear (still haven't seen that). When we got out to boyhada I actually checked him. Imagine my horror.

Anyway all in all just a crappy party, but it didn't last overly long. I guess I am just dissapointed that I still find people like this at this level.

When I say I will debuff, or ask for debuffs, I am NOT talking about Dispel. Yes, it is a debuff but it has a very specific use and isn't even needed on all mobs. If Dispel is needed, it is requested specifically.

Flash/Blind and Poison and Paralyze and Slow, on the other hand, are ALWAYS useful.

Every time "RandomMob is paralyzed." is a time it hasn't hit someone or cast a spell, meaning less MP spent by the healer.

Slow means fewer total mob hits since it's increasing the delay between hits, meaning less MP spent by the healer.

You don't see the usefulness of Flash beyond helping a PLD get hate? It also greatly decreases the mob's ACC, meaning they get hit a little less and have fewer spell interruptions.

Dia - and Dia II after w/e level WHMs get it - also means a faster-dying mob since the melee will do more damage to the mob.

As for Haste, the tank needs it - especially a NIN tank. It is optional for the rest of the melee as far as I'm concerned. If I have the extra MP to do it, I will, but it's way low on the priority list - past Refreshes (also 40MP each), debuffs including Gravity, back-up Cures, Dispel and MBs. Generally I'm the mage with the least amount of MP, and I do not free-nuke or have much back-up curing to do.

I have to admit atm im lvl 42/rdm and still wearing my rse mainly because i cannot find anythin amzingly better for my rdm (if you have any suggestions please let me know) but I would like to solo sometimes aswel tbh because lfg can sucka$$ soooooooooo bad it can just take to long so i can undertsand wanting to solo but the game IS heavily community+team based.

As for making a pty it can be even more frustrating trying to find that elusive (spelling?! lol) last member to finish of the group and the pty can end up splitting up before its even began (only happened to me twice but still it would have been a perfect time to go solo summat for decent xp) so i can see both sides of the story.

1) In the upper 50's and onwards it becomes more and more difficult to stick any enfeebles as a WHM beyond Dia and Flash (to the point where my success rate was about 1/3!), even with MND gear.

2) Refusing to haste the NIN is unacceptable.

3) RSE!?

***** adding Genkai, just be glad there's a "kick" button which the leader gets at level 1 use it for people like that.

While I completely agree the WHM is an *** for making those comments, why did you need a WHM to begin with. You already stated you're SMN. I would have kicked the WHM, gotten a RDM or BRD and be done with it. Yea, yea, I know...SMN wants to be SMN and not healer. Trust me, not only am I a 75 WHM, but also a 69 SMN so I know the feeling. I lucked out and wasn't asked to main heal until I was near level 30 and at times I do feel like a gimped WHM, but most cases our parties rock and XP flies. You have plenty of time to be a SMN for other events and if you have a NIN tank, you have plenty of time to SMN and heal at same time. Even with PLD tank, I can get off the occasional MB with my avatar and still keep party plenty healed.

I do have to say, any WHM not willing to DIA/PARA/SLOW and haste the NIN doesn't belong in a party but sadly, until people stop putting up with bad WHM's just because they are desperate to have a WHM in their party, then this trend will continue. There are plenty of jobs out there that can heal just fine and no need for a WHM if none to be found. Been in many parties where the healers were 2 BLMS and a RDM. Can get good XP too. Don't get me wrong, WHM is ideal for the max -NA spells and higher Raises, but there are other options that work just as well, just takes adapting.

I'm no WHM (actually 38WHM) but I don't think I have ever been in a party where a WHM couldn't debuff a mob. Granted they dont have dispel and whatnot, but (like everyone else is saying) they get para and slow. And also stated, that is what subjobs are for.

If I had been the party leader, I would've said, "I don't know about a RDM, but we're sure as hell gonna get somebody other than you." /pcmd kick <whm>

Paralyze costs, what, 7 mp? if it cancels one, just one, attack, it has made up for it's mp cost. Since it can cancel well over ten per casting, it is well worth the mp.

Slow, see above, if the mob attacks 5 fewer times over the course of it's duration, it iswell worth the casting.

Dia, this can add up to 10-20 more damage per swing in some cases, faster kills make it worthwhile.

That's just the whm ones.

Gravity, 10 points of evasion debuff, that's a free pair of snipers. Ask the melee if they think it's worth it.

Blind, same casse as slow, debateable effectiveness, but it can add up, especially with a nin tank.

Poison, ok not the best, but every little bit helps.

Shock, lowers mind making enfeebs stick better and ones like para fire more often. More blm spell damage to boot.


Yes... a well crippled mob is key to easier fights. To be honest a person unable to see the merits of debuffs is probably in the "regen is a waste of time" camp.