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Start Area: Horlais Peak
Start NPC:Shami (H - 8)
Max Party:3
Related Mobs:Compound Eyes
Sobbing Eyes
Max Level:40
(Average from 8 ratings)
Items Required:Star Orb
Items Granted:Behourd Lance
Black Pearl
Buzzard Tuck
De Saintre's Axe
Fire Spirit Pact
Grudge Sword
Hecteyes Eye
Himmel Stock
Mantra Belt
Peacock Charm
Scroll of Erase
Scroll of Ice Spikes
Scroll of Phalanx
Scroll of Utsusemi: Ni
Tilt Belt
Tourney Patas
This Quest is Repeatable
Last Updated: Mon Dec 5 18:55:24 2011

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Battle Notes

Trade 40 Beastmen Seals to Shami and get a Star Orb. Trade the orb to the Burning Circle in Horlais Peak located in the Yughott Grotto.

This fight is capped at level 40, and only three people may enter the Burning Circle. Upon entering, you will find three mobs from the Hecteyes family: One large Sobbing Eyes and two smaller Compound Eyes.

  • The Sobbing Eyes will cast Firaga I, Bindga and Breakga and is capable of healing itself using the ability Catharsis.

  • All have Hecteyes special attacks, and will spam "Hex Eyes" if the characters are not already paralyzed.


A typical strategy for this fight is to go in with a party consisting of two NIN/BLM or NIN/RDM's and a RDM/BLM. Eat food, buff, heal, then each NIN will take their own Compound Eyes while the RDM kites the Sobbing Eyes with Elemental Seal Gravity to start, then Bind and Gravity. Each NIN will spam Tier-2 Elemental Wheel Ninjutsu on their Compound Eyes, making sure to keep their back to the mob to avoid the paralysis effect of the Hex Eyes ability. Once their individual mobs are dead, the NIN's will rush to where the RDM has kited the Sobbing Eyes and spam Tier-2 Elemental Wheel spells again until the fight is over, while again keeping their backs turned towards the mob.

Note: Reports indicate that it is possible for Scroll:Utsusemi: Ni to drop twice from the same treasure chest at the end of the fight.

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# Apr 03 2011 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
Im lookin for two other people to do this with quite a few times, i have Blue Mage and Red Mage. Hit me up if your interested names puggy and im on lakshmi
can bcnm's be soloed
# Jun 15 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
was wondering if these could be soloed at 65+ or at 75 , samurai? cuz it says max level at 40? thanks-

Edited, Jun 15th 2010 5:54pm by jdragon1976
can bcnm's be soloed
# Sep 04 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
Learn to play the game, then come back and edit your post.
# Feb 11 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
My wife & I (along with a friend of ours) have done this blasted fight over 50 times now. Beyond having the worse luck on this planet (only 3 PCC's have ever dropped), we've run into something completely different last night.

We do this BC with me as Blu, my wife as Nin and our friend as Rdm. Tonight, when we "attempted" this BC twice, my wifes elemental wheel would only do 7 points of damage each spell (compaired to 72+ EVERY other time we've done this).

Has anyone ever encountered this or could potentially explain what the hell happened to us last night. Needless to say we failed both runs.

Thanks for your time.

Edited, Feb 11th 2010 12:34pm by Sarantyr
# Feb 11 2010 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, you can ignore this question.

I kept reading different things about this fight to see if anything would give me a clue about what the hell was different this time around. And someone talking about Ni spells prompted me to look at the log files on my PC to see what spells my wife was casting (I wasn't paying attention to the chat log all that much as I was focused on trying to compensate for the drop in dmg output). And, low and behold, she was casting Ichi spells. On Sunday I helped her and one of our dynamis ls mates do Shadows of the Departed as they had just beat Storms of Fate Saturday night. She went Nin and had changed her elemental wheel macros to Ichi for the promy climbs. That was the last time (until we went in to do this BCNM) that she used Nin and obviously forgot to change her spells back.

So, mystery solved and lesson learned.
# Jan 18 2009 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
This Method: 95% of the time, it works every time.

Jobs: 3 x BLM/NIN (preferably capped sub for boosted stats. Just in case.)

Items to bring: One yagudo drink for each one of you, every round. (If each of you have an orb, bring 3.)

Shihei (the whole point of the method.)

Pies (You want a lot of MP and INT. Obv.)

Gear: Dual wield some HQ INT wands or something. (I'm not sure if they're better than the staves, because of level synch)

A lot of RSE/Seer's

Strategy: As soon as you enter the BCNM, cast Utsusemi. Reraise if you want (just in case.) Hike up to the arena, and get close to the edge of it (Don't get too close!) Pick an exact time on the game clock to inform your party to start casting (it's important to synch up, so you kill off the two grunt Hecteyes.)

But before you start casting, drink your juice and use Elemental Seal (also important.) When the clock hits the time you selected, all of you begin casting your best -aga spell on the big guy in the middle.

When your spells land, immediately start casting your next best -aga spell. (Thundaga for most level 40 mages.) If your shadows are down, recast them at the next safest opportunity. (Preferably when you have no hate)

Keep sending off your next best spells, until every one of the bastards are dead.

If at any point you require Manafont, I suggest you use it!

We broke the record every time we did it over the next few weeks.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2009 2:04pm by EtherealTwilight
# Jan 10 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
Would a SAM work with any set of jobs for this BCNM?
# Jan 10 2009 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
Aznevet wrote:
Would a SAM work with any set of jobs for this BCNM?

I'm going to say no, b/c SAM has to face the eyes to actually do damage. By doing so, you open yourself up to moves that can leave you as a block of stone and unable to help. As far as a kiter, that probably won't work either. That would have you relying too much on luck, which is never a good thing for this BCNM.
# Nov 21 2008 at 5:33 AM Rating: Default
did this bcnm tonight, ive always done it as 3blm and its too easy, but my friends and i were bored so i say wth get ur blu's i'll go drk. We start out they take left and right eye and i stun the middle eye, i kite him up and down just stunning him when needed. first run, both blu's die and i escape, second run killed 2 eyes and started to beat the big eye and ran outta time >< doh, 3rd try i kite the big eye and jag (blu) killed his eye b4 whitedove (other blu) killed hers and went to finish hers off too, meanwhile i say ok rest up i'll take the eye for one more run when i get back be ready, i use my powder bootsw after i get the eye to the bottom of the bcnm and run back uptop to recast shadows n rest mp for a sec. eye gets up we start to pound it and it spams firaga and bindga and i got para so i couldnt get stun off for crap ><. finally para wears off blu's are outta mp (this is 3rd try, we were outa food and yag drinks) and so i stun the eye and kite him for one last run down. then i get to the bottom and he gets a bindga off on me, oh man im dead i thought but no, he turns and just runs back up to the blu's they get up and he petras them >< and i finally get unbinded "here i come guys!" i get about halfway there and therse the eye again, he binds me and runs off again >< i'm pissed by this time cuz he's just killing time. finally unbound i run up and we beat him to death finally without much prob got an aspir off so i could stun his firaga this time. he dies we haul balls to the chest and pop the chest bam! nothing >< lol worse drops ive ever seen :( and we completed it in 14mins 59 secs >.> only 1 sec left lol. hope u guys have better luck on drops.
Easy as 1-2-3
# Nov 20 2008 at 1:19 AM Rating: Good
227 posts

Elemental nuke the mini ones while facing backwards for both NIN/RDM.

The RDM kites the boss up and down the giant pathway leading to the entrance till the NIN/RDMs kill the little ones.

After the little ones die, have both NIN/RDM separate themselves from everybody while spamming nukes, so if the boss decides to petrify/AoE, it'll only hit one person.

Another cool thing about this method is that the boss will run back and forth between the two NINs, so its very safe. If one NIN gets petrify/-ga, the other NIn will keep rotating his/her spells until s/he pulls hate, saving the other NIN. Enchancing skill may be gimp for NIN/RDM, but having halfass barfire on yourself will definitely helps increase your resistance to the -ga nukes.

With all that happening, the RDM or the NIN/RDM can heal themselves to pull hate as well.

RDM can nuke the boss as well when the NINs are on it.

Give or take, a good 6-8min is all you need.
# Jul 01 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
Did three BLM strategy. First time went lousy, which we think was due to two of the BLMs not having Stonega II. EleSeal + StonegaII did close to 200 dmg, while StonegaI did about 50. Wiped, reraised, tried again, and died again.

Next fight we had another BLM come with StonegaII to switch out with one of the one's that did not. We beat it pretty easily this time. Strategy:

Melon Pie, Protectra & Shellra, Blink, Re-raise, Aquaveil, Shock Spikes, Rest to full, Barfira, Elemental Seal, Yagudo Drink

StonegaII (the BLM with no StonegaII used something else - they said TierII)

Killed it pretty quickly. Nothing interesting was in the chest. Next fight we died. It can be pretty easy to get unlucky with three BLM strategy. If one mob gets on one person and you can't pry them off it can go bad quickly. Next run was successful, and Ni dropped.

I wouldn't mind doing this BCNM again.
BLU Duo?
# Jun 17 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
I've read that this can be done with a BLU Duo. I noticed someone already gave a small desription of what they did, but can someone explain in more detail?

Good spells to use, which order to kill the eyes and tactics?

Thanks in advance.
# Mar 12 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
592 posts
My psycho lvl 40 bst/nin friend of mine forced my lvl 38 blu/nin to try and duo this BC, but we won 8D

It was pretty close though, I spent about 20k on meds and almost used them all.

Anyway, we go in, he calls Tiger Familiar, we buff up and whatnot and wait 3 minutes for call beast to cool down a little. Since this was our first run, we weren't too sure about how long we should wait, but 3 minutes proved beyond sufficient. Once we were ready, he sends his kitty on the Sobbing Eyes and lets all 3 eyes aggro it while he runs away. Once he is far enough, he uses heel and starts kiting 2 eyes while I start killing a Compound Eyes.

Alternating between Screwdriver and Bludgeon while headbutting spells and backward tanking worked out quite well. I managed to kill a compound eyes in about a minute while burning through roughly 150-200ish MP. Once my eyes were dead I began recovering some MP via mulsum as my bst friend brought the eyes back up. I grabbed the other compound eyes and went to work while he held off the Sobbing eyes some more. The second Compound Eyes was a lot tougher than the first; I had to burn through 250-300ish MP to kill him.

Once both lesser eyes were felled, I began resting while my bst friend let his tiger fight to the death, at which point he used an Antlion jug and began working on the sobbing eyes. Once I recovered a sufficient amount of MP I began fighting. The last battle was pretty close, I was practically out of MP and HP, but we won.

All in all, we got about 10k worth of junk ._.;

Some side notes:
I used 3 HiPotions +3, 2 yagudo drinks (another one would have helped greatly, my second one wore off shortly after the death of the second Compound Eyes) and 8 mulsum (bought a stack for 14k so I had a good 4 to spare). My friend walked in with 6 HiPotions, but gave me 3 near the end of the fight (all of which I burned through). He only used one.

You really have to be careful when fighting these eyes. All it takes is a split second for it to use Hex Eyes on you and ***** you over big time. On my second Compound Eyes I actually got hit by Hex Eyes and had to kite it a bit so as to not get my *** handed to me. The paralysis doesn't last long, but it's incredibly potent, acting more like stun than paralyze.

If you're kiting the Sobbing eyes, make sure to keep a huge distance between you and him. 1 breakga is all he needs to mess you up big time. If you're kiting as a beastmaster, make sure you keep a large space between you and your pet; on our first run, my friend didn't leave much space and he pulled too much hate through the use of heel.

Also, if you're going to be insane mofos like us, try to be lvl 40. Both of you. Those extra 2 levels would helped greatly (Chain affinity, +15 accuracy from gear, more MP, more attack from gear, etc.)

And finally, good luck to anyone trying this BCNM.
# Aug 17 2008 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
592 posts
strategy needed
# Mar 10 2008 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
any good strategies to do this BCNM?
strategy needed
# May 02 2008 at 10:29 PM Rating: Default
One of the easiest ways to do this BCNM is 3x BLM. Get into BCNM and Buff up (Protectra, Shellra, Aquaveil, Blink, and Ice Spikes) and rest to full. Once everyone has full MP walk upto the edgeof the big circle area where the 3 eyes are waiting. Use Elemental Seal the target the Sobbing Eyes. All 3 Blm need to cast Stonega II on the Sobbing Eyes at the same time then just spam Thundaga >>> Blizzaga >>> Stonega II until all 3 mobs are dead(By the time everyone is on the second round of Stonega II the 2 Compound Eyes should be close to dead if not dead already). If one person should die or everyone runs out of MP before the Sobbing Eyes are dead 1 person use Manafront to finish Sobbing Eyes off. This strategy has worked really well. Ls friends and I have done about 10 runs so far with 2 PcC and 2 Scrolls of Ni dropping. Good luck everyone.

Edited, May 3rd 2008 2:38am by mathayusofalexander
Whm75 Pld75 Blu64 Bst57 Thf57
# Jan 03 2008 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
Ok I have a good friend that got a random /tell by someone named Jakewyler, my friend was a NIN 63 and he always wanted to do this BCNM, well when he mentioned the name many of us in our Linkshell knew the name Jakewyler for the BCNM con who randomly invites NINs to join, has them use their orb and steals their drops by disbanding after opening a chest.

Now Jakewyler works with a RDM partner, forgot the name but they are in the same LS.

Caution, we were very curious on how this group could manage to steal BCNM rewards. We thought that well from what we heard Jake is always leader then disbands after opening chest, I believed that is cause leaders keep loot when no one lots or something.

I was way wrong, my friend demanded leadership to see if he disbanded he wouldnt lose his items.

After winning the BCNM, Jake opened the chest quickly and before my friend could even see the drops, he left the pt. Now at first I was confused why my friend still didnt get the items. I believe it is because Jake opened the chest and since pt disbanded he gets the rights.

So even though we figured we could out beat the CON, we still lost and to this day no idea what items were dropped that night. So do not BCNM with these people, your best bet is to do this with friends or trusted linkshell members, since the only way to lose to these people is if they open your chest or you just dont go with them.

It's sad tehre are people out there like this, hopefully SE will figure something out to solve this BCNM issue that is making it easy for not just selfish meanies, but this can also be taken advantage of by RMTs, and we wont need anymore of them causing bad economy.

Final note this happened on Fairy server, and from what I heard in Whitegate, Jakewyler and his partner rhm has coned atleast 20+ ppl or more. ;_; Be careful everyone, these 2 know what their doing.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 3:37pm by Kesala
# Dec 21 2007 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
1,778 posts
Blue Mages are kings of this BCNM, they can solo a Compound Eye each while facing away to avoid Paralyze (Can cast Blue Magic while looking the other way).
They can also solo a Fusion Skillchain and Magic Burst off it, that'll sort out the bigger eye in no time at all, especially when you have x2 BLU that do it.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Invictus -- William Ernest Henley
# Oct 11 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
169 posts
Can this be done with PLD+BLM+BLM? Any thougths on that setup? Yes, BLMx3 would be ideal, but my BLM is level 6 and I really don't want to level a mage job...ever.
# Aug 07 2007 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
very simple bcnm indeed

me=nin/war or mnk/nin

both bsts use tiger pets because the tigers can outrun the casting of the sobbing eyes spells. The eyes are naturally slow anyway just make sure you sent your pet from a distance and run a but before calling it back. The weaker bst does this job. J is a 75 bst and has merits and stuff so he is my melee and T does the kiting. Anyway his pet attacks the sobbing and he runs off. I voke a compound or i let the other bst cast dia on it(if mnk) and we go to town. 2 chars and a pet take one down in like 2 minutes. Then we run down and take the second compound eye and kill it. At this point sometimes we switched kiters but normally T is fine. After that we spread out and i tank the sobbing and they sent their pets in and help me out.

Ok before i hear all this ******** about MNK WTF?!?!? my mnk has merits and can use Raging Fists at level 40. Which is the best ws in the game damagewise at this time. So think what you like but either way i have only lost this bcnm 3 times out of 18+ runs and that was the first run and then the first run with T who called his pet back too early and he got nailed with breakga. My ls has gotten approx 15x Ni, and 5 PCC(not approx) so think what you like.. otherwise use the BLM x 3 idea with the timed aga's works like a charm unless you get horribly unlucky.
no aoe ws
# Aug 07 2007 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
the big eye does not do a petrify AOE WS... he casts petrifyga(sp) the only way to dodge it is by running out of range. As for this bcnm ive actually duoed it, me being rdm with a nin , i kite 2 eyes while he picks off little eyes one by 1 and then wed team up on big eye.
no aoe ws
# Feb 17 2008 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
it's breakga
Kitting tips
# Jul 06 2007 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Just did 6 runs today no luck on money drops -.-. Any way our set up was rdm/nin (me) blue/nin and nin/war. Basicly nin and blue fight the small eyes at the side backwards wile the kiter kits the big eye. What I did war reraise, earring, stoneskin, ustemi and aquavile after zoning in then rest full mp. After that run to the top but dont enter the circle stand right next to it. Next cast barfire and barparalzye(this is crucial btw adventualy going to get bad luck and get hit). The big eye only uses 3 spells breakga, firga, and bindga and has longer range then you, which meens if you cant cast on him if he stops to cast at you at maximum range which he will do. Open up the fight with gravity on the big eye then run back toward the entrance. Stay just in range(where your marker is on him) but do not run out of range. keep statying at maxium range but still have marker on mob. This way you will be able to see when his gravity wears off. This is another important part here, when gravity wears off do not recast it wait for him to catch up to you and cast a spell. Now run out of range,(only about 5-10 steps depeding on race), keep in mind his range bigger than normal mobs. Now once he starts chaising him take a few steps foward and cast gravity, or bind if that is not back up yet, and run back toward the circle where he originaly spawned. Note you must run past him so run at his side so no paralyze. If this is done correctly he will melee you once and try to paralyze you, giving you enough time to get out of casting range. At this point your team mates should of killed the other 2 eyes. Let the nin get hate and tank backwards, blu headbut any thing he tries to cast. cure 3 the nin asap and regen the blu or yourself to conserve mp. When run out of mp run out of range and convert and cure your self so you will not get hate. Also another note only use gravity or bind, 1 at time, when kiting so he doesn't catch you with a spell as he cast very quickly and has long range. You can use all other debuffs after nin gets hate all of them will stick, except silence and sleep. Good luck to any one who kites this eye I know it sounds hard but after second run only had 1 close call and got pretty good at it.

Edited, Jul 6th 2007 9:52pm by blulight
how big is the area what is it like
# Jun 20 2007 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
hey im asking what does the battle area look like for this bcnm is it big as a sommons fight area.
how big is the area what is it like
# Oct 05 2007 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
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It's huge! lots of kiting room. Well the grassy area outside the battle area is anyway.
# Jun 17 2007 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
ok so i did this today on asura ser with a 75 ninja named "marglarr". if you should decide to do this with him make sure you are lead when doing your run. he disband on us after my run and i had a utsusemi NI drop started to lot my stuf bam disband items lost. now he says was an accedent but.... i think differently now Gm was help less said theyre hands are tied. im out 500k and marglarr was like oops i can give you 100k that all i have. i argue with him and say w/e i'll come get it from you by that time he's exping. i go to collect he force dc'd...... then my LS mate says hey he spent 680k today on a hauby...... >:/ ......so yeah not to ***** but avoid this bcnm with this fellow at all costs. 100k thats all i have my a$$ mr. 75 nin and i was going to use gils for my 55 nin now that i'm at 4k gil >.>
Blus rule
# Jun 09 2007 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
Did this today with all Blu's. We didn't think it would work, but it did. After we killed the 2 Compound Eyes we rested while the other just kited the Sobbing Eye. Got close to full then killed it. We didn't get anything but junk. So we are going to try again.
# Jun 04 2007 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
i do it to my ls last weekend..BST/WHM NIN/BLM BLM/WHM..so easy but very bad drops..lol..
nin/rdm, nin/war, rdm/whm = easy
# May 21 2007 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
Just did this as nin/rdm (me) nin/war, and rdm/whm. Went 3/3, and PCC AND Utsusemi: Ni dropped on first try, but we got garbage on the other two orbs. Make sure you have ALL Ni spells as nin's simply nuke and keep shaddows up, while having their backs turned towards the two lesser eyes while the rdm kites the main mob until two lessers are dead. I didn't have Suiton: Ni and Doton: Ni and it made it a pain in the butt for the rdm and the other nin, but we still had success all 3 runs. Good luck! It's really not that hard of a bcnm if you do it right!

[PCC: <Mine>]
# May 17 2007 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
hows a setup of pld/war(or whm) drg/war and drk/war?
RDM BST BST doesn't work
# May 16 2007 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
RDM BST BST doesn't work.

One BST cannot take a sobbing eyes on his own, the pets are just paralyzed too much for it to work. Unless the RDM is very talented and can kite two at once, don't try this configuration, BST BST BST is much safer.
bleh drops
# May 01 2007 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
72 posts
Tried last night Nin/Blm(me), Nin/war and Rdm

Craps drops on all runs I think the gold bst coin on my orb was the highlight ><

Nin/Blm I averaged 84 dmg per nuke vs. 66 average off of the Nin/War, not "alot" more damage just glancing at it but I did finish my eye and run to help on his when he was still at 40% or so on the last two runs (remembered to throw parser on for those) and our total damage percents were: #2 Sobbing 57.94%@/blm 41.81%@/war, #3 Sobbing 62.09%@/blm 37.91%@/war.
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