I am a Ranger but I still using it....
I was using 1 Hawkers and 1 Hawkers+1
Now I am using Hawkers+1 and this.....
2agi is not that important compare with +4r.acc at this moment....
of couse, I know the axe with +r.acc and +7r.att is even better...
I am only lv61
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Posted: Oct 24 2005 at 1:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) since they update rng acc is better then the little agi anything except kriegbell, and Kreigsbell is a pimp in so many ways, it could be a topic of its own. alittle bit of agi isnt gonna make a big different, give up that rng acc and u have to stand close which lowers ur damage. Hawkers plus 1 might be better for anyone under lvl 60, once u hit 60-70 rng af and all the other fun gear u get that agi wont mean a thing. now that i think about it more i should say 55-70, i personally use bow, so rng acc makes a big difference with sidewinder. my rng is at 58 and i have enough rng acc gear that i rarely miss on IT++ and when ur fighting high eva mobs u need a ton of rng acc or rng becomes useless with either gun/bow. Rangers need all the rng acc possible if u want to hit high lvls of exp, and im not talking 150 im talking consistent 200+ without exp bonus.
This is my first post so, "Hi all" ^^
This may be the wrong thread to continue the CHR debate, but i've never seen anywhere that SE said CHR had nothing to do with hate. AFAIK, chr affects enmity the same way vit affects def, dex affects acc, and agi affects r.acc and eva. Charisma, by definition, is the ability to make people like you, hence the less charisma you have, the less you are liked.
The Jack-O'lantern is -10 chr (actually, since one of the updates, i've heard it's now -5), and many tanks use it, but that's a bad example because it's also +10 acc and eva (as well as +25 dark element defense, and + Arcana Killer effect).
There is another item that i can think of however, which is Jester's Cape, whm/blm/rdm/brd/smn only, +7 chr, or for Jester's Cape +1, +10 chr (over 1 mil on Garuda if I recall). Now I can understand why BRD needs it, as songs are chr based, but also requiem (or is it another song) is a ton of hate.
The only other jobs that can use it are all mages, who, as a rule, need less enmity, and that's the only benefit they'd get from this cape. At least that's how I see it.
If someone can post me a link to the page where SE states chr does not affect enmity, then i would be happy to read it and learn. ^^
That's it for me for now, later all ^^
Edited, Mon Feb 28 06:07:22 2005
This may be the wrong thread to continue the CHR debate, but i've never seen anywhere that SE said CHR had nothing to do with hate. AFAIK, chr affects enmity the same way vit affects def, dex affects acc, and agi affects r.acc and eva. Charisma, by definition, is the ability to make people like you, hence the less charisma you have, the less you are liked.
The Jack-O'lantern is -10 chr (actually, since one of the updates, i've heard it's now -5), and many tanks use it, but that's a bad example because it's also +10 acc and eva (as well as +25 dark element defense, and + Arcana Killer effect).
There is another item that i can think of however, which is Jester's Cape, whm/blm/rdm/brd/smn only, +7 chr, or for Jester's Cape +1, +10 chr (over 1 mil on Garuda if I recall). Now I can understand why BRD needs it, as songs are chr based, but also requiem (or is it another song) is a ton of hate.
The only other jobs that can use it are all mages, who, as a rule, need less enmity, and that's the only benefit they'd get from this cape. At least that's how I see it.
If someone can post me a link to the page where SE states chr does not affect enmity, then i would be happy to read it and learn. ^^
That's it for me for now, later all ^^
Edited, Mon Feb 28 06:07:22 2005
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Taru; 32dnc, 30war, 26nin, 19mnk, 16thf, 16drk, 10whm, 10rng, 8bst, 8blm
If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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Taru; 32dnc, 30war, 26nin, 19mnk, 16thf, 16drk, 10whm, 10rng, 8bst, 8blm
If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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you're right this is the wrong thread :p)
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If you read on a little you would notice the link is already here... you typed quite a lot a little too late...
Fair enough, the rate-down was well-deserved. My only justification (if it is such) is that I was merely responding to an earlier post in this thread about CHR, regarding the Hawker's Knife. I obviously should have at least replied to that post, instead of starting a new post.
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Mithra; 75war,thf,bst,rdm(retired), 70drg, 66rng,nin, 62mnk, 51pld, 42drk, 40cor, 37smn,sam,blm,whm,dnc,brd,sch,blu,pup
Taru; 32dnc, 30war, 26nin, 19mnk, 16thf, 16drk, 10whm, 10rng, 8bst, 8blm
If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
Garuda Server;
Mithra; 75war,thf,bst,rdm(retired), 70drg, 66rng,nin, 62mnk, 51pld, 42drk, 40cor, 37smn,sam,blm,whm,dnc,brd,sch,blu,pup
Taru; 32dnc, 30war, 26nin, 19mnk, 16thf, 16drk, 10whm, 10rng, 8bst, 8blm
If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
This item is not for Rangers it's for everyone else that can equip it and wants to use Ranged Attacks.
Rangers should stick with Hawkers + Fransica or 2x Hawkers and the really luck ones can use Kreigsbeil but this item is not worth getting rid of or passing up a hawkers and on Gilgamesh these are 350k and Hawkers is 220k.
Hawker does not show that gives as much r.acc but that +2/3 Agi is why you use Hawkers. Agi effects your r.acc soft cap and your WS dmg so any Ranger that chooses this over Hawkers is blindly ignoring the fact they need to be boosting Agi in anyway possible since there is not a whole lot of gear that does that for them.
Rangers should stick with Hawkers + Fransica or 2x Hawkers and the really luck ones can use Kreigsbeil but this item is not worth getting rid of or passing up a hawkers and on Gilgamesh these are 350k and Hawkers is 220k.
Hawker does not show that gives as much r.acc but that +2/3 Agi is why you use Hawkers. Agi effects your r.acc soft cap and your WS dmg so any Ranger that chooses this over Hawkers is blindly ignoring the fact they need to be boosting Agi in anyway possible since there is not a whole lot of gear that does that for them.
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ok i myself think that if some1 buys a hawkers+1 then they are just plain stupid.
Yes these knives are ok....But in my eyes there aren't better than Hawkers +1 or better than NQ Hawkers. As Hawkers have Agilty on them. And as we all know agilty effects your damage, WS damage and you rng acc.
So if a Hawker +1 has 13.5 rng acc (including AGI) i would rather lose the 0.5 rng acc and have the extra AGi you get out of Hawkers.
And the same applies for NQ Hawkers as they still have +2 AGI on them. Therefore i would neverever use Trailers.
I mean why do you think Kriegsbeil is so rare and expensive...i think its partly due to the +5 AGI.
If you go by what your saying, you would rather use Trailers over a Kriegsbeil because it only has +4 rng acc
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Agi doesnt affect rng attack, str actually does curiously enough. Agi only affects rng accurracy and dmg on some WS's. Only reason you don't see rngs in str gear is because of they want to hit the target.
Actually both strength and agilty are in the equation that calculates bow and gun dmg. And as a rng myself i have seen a small increase in my dmg when i eat Squid Sushi which does not add strength. At the end of the day Agilty is so so valuable to a Ranger whereas Rng Acc is so easy to find.
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Posted: Jan 18 2005 at 9:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol wow. were you talking about me.
Ok, even if I'm wrong, I dont care. Being wrong on something I may not have known does not deserve a rate down. This is why I don't post on these forums. The maturity level of the people on these boards are below the status of a 5 year old. Will I rate you down? No, because I'm not going to sink to your level of stupidity. Good bye, and this is the last post I'll put on these forums besides event pictures of HNM's from LS's for Phoenix server.
PS Go ahead and rant "I'm right, that guys wrong, I pwned him hardcore" and then see how mature you are.
PS Go ahead and rant "I'm right, that guys wrong, I pwned him hardcore" and then see how mature you are.
Uhh, posting misinformation as fact is precisely the type of thing that does deserve a rate-down.
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Posted: Jan 16 2005 at 10:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok i myself think that if some1 buys a hawkers+1 then they are just plain stupid. now if u have the money to spend then fine do it but i myself rather not. unless i just want to show off. this dagger (trailers kukri)is bad ***. but i myself like fransisca its a bad *** axe. so i duel wield trailers kukri and fransisca. and on the chr arguement, NO its does NOT have an effect on enimity. SE (Sqaure Enix) has said it themselves. and this is besides the point but what the hell is a bst doing in a party. LOL!!! a bst should solo and at that why is the BST pulling. LOL!!! ok ty and plz rate me up lol . ty and bye all.
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Hawker+1 is considered more of a novelty item just to say you have it. But CHR is not useless for a RNG, lowers enmity. Also every +4 AGI, RNG get a bonus dmg to WS, also every +6 STR. I prefer to use one Hawker+1 and a Trailer Kukri
According to the developers CHR has no effect on enmity at all.
http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews/viewinterview.asp?Id=272
I don't care what you think you know about this, according to Square themselves who are privy to the inner workings of the game engine CHR has no effect on enmity. Any effect you believe you are observing related to CHR and enmity is all in your imagination.
Edited, Sun Jan 16 12:39:02 2005
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
Hawker+1 is considered more of a novelty item just to say you have it. But CHR is not useless for a RNG, lowers enmity. Also every +4 AGI, RNG get a bonus dmg to WS, also every +6 STR. I prefer to use one Hawker+1 and a Trailer Kukri
Please don't perpetuate the myth that CHR affects enmity. CHR does not directly affect enmity.
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Posted: Jan 14 2005 at 5:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh yes it does. I experimented it with my pld friend by him wearing the Opo-opo crown and eating a panama which activated the secret affect of giving him +7 Charisma and we fought Darkspark for my other friend's SAM AF and despite the fact that me, MNK/WAR used provoke and 2hr, other friend BLM/WHM used 2hr and nuked unstoppably, the PLD jumped in, voked it back and used invincible and maintained hate the rest of the battle. He never went after us. So Charisma does affect hate
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I may be wrong here as I do not play PLD, but I was under the impression that Invincible gives the PLD all the hate and that its impossible to take hate while invincible is active. So if this is the case CHR has nothing to do with it. If he kept hate for the rest of the battle its prob because he was doing his job, using voke, flash, healing.
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I may be wrong here as I do not play PLD, but I was under the impression that Invincible gives the PLD all the hate and that its impossible to take hate while invincible is active.
Not the case. I was helping a friend (45 pld at the time) do rank 5 and I want as 55 Rng. We picked on the wrong yagudo (dont remember which one it was) so I went nuts on it. Used all the goodies, barrage, sidewinder, EES, then the pld used provoke and invincible and the yag didnt even glance his way. While in a normal battle situation with no huge level gaps, i've never seen invincible NOT pull hate, just stating that it DOES NOT gaurentee it. ^^
Ok I am not going to argue one way or the other about Charisma or Enmity but I'm going to try to set the record straight on how Invincible works.
Invincible RESETS HATE. That means that no matter what you did to that mob before your buddy used invincible does not matter once he uses it. The hate you generated is reduced to zero. That is why Invincible is almost always used in parties after the WHM uses Benediction (or sometimes after BLM uses manafont or something similar). It is used to reset hate to zero so the WHM doesn't get owned.
Invincible also puts a great deal of hate onto the paladin tank after it is used. I'm not quite sure how much but it's a bit. I've personally never lost hate after using it, but it's never been that long because usually soon after it's used either the mob or the parties dies, depending on how things are going. :)
Also using invincible as the example for promoting +CHR as hate holding is an extremely weak argument. Invincible is not something you are going to be using most fights! It's a 2 hour ability. Try experiementing with CHR when just tanking normally and see how much it does for you (well, your buddy anyway), then make an argument about it.
Invincible RESETS HATE. That means that no matter what you did to that mob before your buddy used invincible does not matter once he uses it. The hate you generated is reduced to zero. That is why Invincible is almost always used in parties after the WHM uses Benediction (or sometimes after BLM uses manafont or something similar). It is used to reset hate to zero so the WHM doesn't get owned.
Invincible also puts a great deal of hate onto the paladin tank after it is used. I'm not quite sure how much but it's a bit. I've personally never lost hate after using it, but it's never been that long because usually soon after it's used either the mob or the parties dies, depending on how things are going. :)
Also using invincible as the example for promoting +CHR as hate holding is an extremely weak argument. Invincible is not something you are going to be using most fights! It's a 2 hour ability. Try experiementing with CHR when just tanking normally and see how much it does for you (well, your buddy anyway), then make an argument about it.
not true, about invincible being hate reset... as blm, i've held hate through invincible till I died (taru blm) does it try to hold a lot of hate? yes. Does it always keep party members alive that had too much hate to start with? no. It doesn't even always take all hate back from a benediction. I've seen these examples, and just wanted to clear up that invinicible is NOT a hate reset.
Okay, chr itself does not affect enmity. SE has stated that, and if it were true I would never have any mob I had touched leave me alone until it was dead. I have chr 67+21 as a 68 bst, and there is no difference in how much monsters hate me if I increase or decrease this number. However, while leveling warrior I use Jack-o-Lanterns which, among other things, are -10chr and I HAVE noticed that it is much harder to get my Provokes to turn a monster when a tank is in trouble. I usually end up using Warcry to get its attention. SE has stated that chr DOES affect certain weaponskills and abilities, just as INT, MND etc do. I am 100% sure chr itself does not affect enmity but that it does have an effect on Provoke.
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hmmm... i dont think you look hard enough... as a bst16/whm8 my chr was at +10 thanks to hope rings, nobles ribbon, and a bird whistle... with all of that equiped i tried to pull a fly to my pt and lost it twice... both arrows hit there mark and did damage... even if it was just a tiny amount. Finnaly i uneqquiped all my chr gear do to a few rumors a heard and was able to pull a mob with one arrow... somethin i couldnt do with 3 with all the gear. so believe what you will and i will believe what i will
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this is better than hawker's knife rihgt? but jsut not as good as hawker's +1
Hawker's Knife: +3 AGI = +1.5 Ranged ACC +1.5 Evasion, +3 CHR = Useless, +12 Ranged ACC (.5's round down BTW)
Trailer's Kukri: +14 Ranged ACC
I'd say the Trailer's Kukri is slightly better and a *lot* cheaper.
Edited, Fri Jan 14 05:19:14 2005
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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this is better than hawker's knife rihgt? but jsut not as good as hawker's +1
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These do not suck, though. They are higher damage rating, so they'll do more damage than dinky archer knifes in exp pts. In hnm however the rng won't be meleeing the mob at all, though.
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We have 4 Rangers ranging from 56-65 in my LS and in all my experience with them, I haven't ever seen them complain about dmg with knives. Yes Hawker's +1 are better than this, but in a pinch, this'll do...
Besides, a ranger doesn't need to be doing all that much damage with his melee attacks anyway, as long as he's doing more than 0 damage.
Besides, a ranger doesn't need to be doing all that much damage with his melee attacks anyway, as long as he's doing more than 0 damage.
I had a long talk with some friends, and by checking the accuracy/AGI cap, at this lvl, hawkers are still better.. Hawkers+1 being the best.
I have this and i am loving it, it goes for 390k on Unicorn. I do not think there is a LAtent affect of Rainy Weather. If there is ai got ripped of 450k ;;
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This item is ranged accuracy +14... and let me say as a rng this item is awesome^^... i love this and i cant wait to be level 61... i want to buy one before they go up in price, but i not sure..its 220k in jueno on garuda right now
Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i believe these stats are wrong. I dont know exactly but I think somwhere along the lines of Ranged acuracy +14
LOL it does say +14 ranged acc
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It might not have said it when he/she posted that it was incorrect.
/sigh look at the post dates. 1 day apart. The info didn't change that much in less then 24hours
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