Vishnu's Cesti  

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These weapons are a good example to show that it's important to keep something in mind when looking at and judging h2h weapons.

Don't know how many people tend to notice this, but along with h2h weapons having the +delay, since it adds onto the base h2h delay, the DMG is dealt the same way.
On these, for example, it's +7, not just 7, so whatever the base DMG of h2h is, it adds onto it just like the delay adds onto the base h2h delay.

An in-game example I can use to show this, is that frequently in high 60s+ parties I'd be out-damaging SAMs' hits *per punch*, and I had pretty average gear. Not completely awesome, but by no means bad. Now, thinking about this, it would be impossible for me to do this if h2h weapons weren't dealt in this way, since even the strongest h2h weapon is at +23 (the Spharai, aka: fully upgraded relic weapon), while G. Katanas tend to be in the 70s. That means that the average G. Katana has almost triple the DMG on it then the strongest h2h weapon in the game. IMO, that's enough difference to prove that the base h2h DMG must be much bigger then what any weapon adds on, otherwise it would have been impossible for me to do what I did with the gear that I had. This would also help explain why we're so effing awesome unarmed compared to any other non-PUP melee job.

So, this is debatable of course, but in a way that makes the DMG on h2h weapons not quite as important to look at as opposed to, say, 2-handed weapons. This is because the majority of the weapons' stats actually comes from the MNKs themselves, not from the actual weapon, while for any other job what you see is what you get.

So let's say that those SAMs I mentioned earlier used a G. Katana with 74 DMG, and at the specific time I'm thinking of I probably used either these or Shiva's Claws (+11), so for the benefit of the doubt, let's say I used the Claws. That means, to noticeably outdamage the SAMs per punch, my base h2h DMG, not counting the weapon, had to be like...high 60s, low 70s, somewhere around there. Would be an interesting experiment to take on, for anyone interested.

I'm not saying that ignoring damage completely is the way to go. I'm just trying to put in perspective how much the damage listed on h2h weapons actually contributes to your actual damage output.

To put it simply, at level 75 MNKs with no weapons literally *are* a 300 delay, high 60s-low 70s weapon on their own. And, like they look, the weapons only improve on their natural killing ability. Go us!

I was thinking about getting these. I have pretty good gear, so i doubt that the lack of damage on them is too notciable. Plus i have heard when you have Brown Belt, and Fuma Kyhan these are pretty dam good. The speed might make up for the danage

I got these the other day for 310k on Shiva. Tested them out with no + haste gear on too weaks and say a slight difference in speed on too weaks and about 5-20 damage per hit loss, varied quite a bit becouse most of my gear is +STR not +Attack. I thought about selling them back but the difference in speed is noticable and its fun to attack a lot faster while farming so I kept them.

this is nice but its not as godly as people think, yes it is +0 delay but you have a h2h delay with or with out a weapon I think about lvl 67 your base delay is like 360ish or something like that, so its "360ish"+0 for only 7 damage the +str,+dex, and +acc are nice but, if you really think about it these are not that great....but use what ya want its your character if you like these go for it^^

Edited, Thu Sep 29 01:39:27 2005

Went with a friend out to farm and with these and he literally tore through everything, lovely weapon, best farming night he ever had.

Nuts.

The damage is actually +7, and delay is +0.

Am I reading this right when I see no delay?

How hard is it to get these?