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Katayama Ichimonji
(Great Katana) All Races
DMG:28 DLY:450
STR+1 DEX+1
Lv.10 SAM

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# Jul 26 2007 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I just got my sam the other day and a friend said theres a good katana that drops of this guy. So I waltz up the mountain and Carnero was already there. Kill, bam, drop. Guaranteed 100% drop for anyone else going to get this. Might not get as lucky as me with him already being there but oh well.
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# Mar 06 2007 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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camped it, owned it!

total time 1 hr

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try and try again
# Mar 05 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
Was fighting on Vomp hill yesterday as my 9 NIN and saw Carnero, new its lvl and what it dropped so thought i'd have a go, was owning its ass when 2 Ornery sheep decided to link, thats when i died, HP'ed and got my 31RDM and raced back to the hill just to see someone about to engage, so franticly typing Carnero Can I Have It on universal translator hwen the guy engages and kill it and sends a message back in english sorry don't speak english and runs off, so i camped, killed all the sheep i could see, all the skellies and Wolves that spawned at night and no Carnero. /fumes. Gonna try again tonite, my SAM's only lvl 5 but this is one nice weapon to own.

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I hope its worth it
# Feb 05 2007 at 5:25 AM Rating: Default
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this @#%^ing GK took me 6 hours to CAMP ;_;
Katayama Ichimonji
# Jan 10 2007 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey - Brand new to FF XI... ( man there is alot to learn in this game) anywhoo I was walking around Vomp Hill , harvesting beehive chips, while my friend was on the second level and saw Carnero... he asked me if i knew what that was - I didnt. He decided to attack it ( lev 11 monk) and got killed.. I went up myself ( lev 12 war) and fought him and got him to a sliver of live left - before he killed me. We grouped and went up to exact revenge. killed him and He got the Katayama Ichimonji. I've read this is a rare/exlusive peice of equipment. Is this weapon sellable or tradeable at all ? Neither one of us is / or most likely going to be a SAM. Is there any way we can get rid of the Katayama Ichimonji? Is all Eq recieved by NM kills non sellable/ tradeable ?


Katayama Ichimonji
# Jan 24 2007 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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You can always toss it, and some rare/ex items are vendor sellable.
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# Jan 01 2007 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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got the drop on accident looking for onery sheep for fresh blood drop for chocoboleech's Gassen, i just keep getting more and more reasons to play SAM lol.
Got it.
# Sep 13 2006 at 11:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I went up as my Drg 23. Ran around for about an hour. Decided to stop for a second and ask my friend if I was doing it right. then...like one foot in front of me, she pops up. it was carnero. Got the drop 1/1. Can't use it yet XD
yeah easy 2 get
# Aug 13 2006 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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kill a bunch of sheep....1 triggers the nm 2 pop...its like lvl 15....kill it and

congradulation! u got a sweet GK
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# Jul 21 2006 at 2:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been campin this thing for 8 hrs on Caitsith
I haven't even seen the damn Sheep
i've been usin wide scan an everything possible
what should i do?
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# Jul 13 2006 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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well this GK is not a 100% but maybe 75% cause i went 3/4 with it i got this bad boy last year and took it up to 21 cause the extra str made it stronger and after that noticeable drop in dmg so it's good GK for 10-20, it's good to camp this while waiting for LL window lol good luck btw sam75/war37/rng37/thf37 most combat skills capped
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# Dec 11 2006 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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It's rare/ex... maybe you already had one on you?
100% drop rate ?
# Jun 19 2006 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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100% drop rate ?

Can't vouch for that statistically but i did kill it and get the drop first time.

I'm am also intending to take this sword to at least level 20, maybe further. Beats all the other weapons available until then hand's down.

BTW killed Carnero with Sam9/Rng4, no problems with some meat jerky and 300 tp and a little Meikyo shisui if it all goes wrong.
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When/where is it?
# Jun 17 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Is there a specific time/place on the hill where it spawns? I saw it once when I was just starting out as a WAR7; someone was running from it yelling for help, and noobish me decided "why not." Promptly owned me. Now that I think I can take it on, I want to know where to find it.

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# May 13 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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So I am bored off my mind right, and my friend died like 4 times doing some mission in the dangruf wadi, so i say sure why not i'll PL you to get your lvl back other wise she would have needed to buy new gear. SO we hop on to vomp hill, and she starts killing bees, i see this guy, sais impossible to gauge, so my first thought it... hmmm.... how impossible to gauge is it >.> its is south gustaberg after all, so i decided to throw a stone III on it... he died, I laugfhed and got my Katayama :P So i quickley went over and changed to my lvl 10 samurai to try it out and Damn is this a good sword, i partied with my friend and i was owening lizzies like nothing. She left as soon as she lvl'd up but i decided to stay and test out my new blade in every mob i could find, soon enough leapin lizzy spawned.. me still lvl 10 sam decide to take her on, danm i owned her got no drop, but it was pretty sweet, kept soloing got close to lvl 11 when she popped agian, killed her and got drop this time, some thief got mad that he was waiting for like 4 hrs and i claim and kill it twice as a lvl 10 sam/war, so i decide to stick a round a while and like an hr later now as 13 sam/war, i get the claim once more, i inv this thf guy to my party hoping he gets the drop and to make sure no one else gets claim, but no luck. :\ So i decided to call it a night and to make sam my new job to lvl thx to Bounding boots and Katayama :P The next day i got my Sam to lvl 20 :P now i need to find out what sword to get ^.^
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# Jan 14 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
So I am bored off my mind right, and my friend died like 4 times doing some mission in the dangruf wadi, so i say sure why not i'll PL you to get your lvl back other wise she would have needed to buy new gear. SO we hop on to vomp hill, and she starts killing bees, i see this guy, sais impossible to gauge, so my first thought it... hmmm.... how impossible to gauge is it >.> its is south gustaberg after all, so i decided to throw a stone III on it... he died, I laugfhed and got my Katayama :P So i quickley went over and changed to my lvl 10 samurai to try it out and Damn is this a good sword, i partied with my friend and i was owening lizzies like nothing. She left as soon as she lvl'd up but i decided to stay and test out my new blade in every mob i could find, soon enough leapin lizzy spawned.. me still lvl 10 sam decide to take her on, danm i owned her got no drop, but it was pretty sweet, kept soloing got close to lvl 11 when she popped agian, killed her and got drop this time, some thief got mad that he was waiting for like 4 hrs and i claim and kill it twice as a lvl 10 sam/war, so i decide to stick a round a while and like an hr later now as 13 sam/war, i get the claim once more, i inv this thf guy to my party hoping he gets the drop and to make sure no one else gets claim, but no luck. :\ So i decided to call it a night and to make sam my new job to lvl thx to Bounding boots and Katayama :P The next day i got my Sam to lvl 20 :P now i need to find out what sword to get ^.^

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new weapon
# May 09 2006 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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whens a good time to get a new weapon? lvl 20?

ive also had this since 10
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# May 03 2006 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Just got this tonight, able to use it in 2 levels. ^^

My friend recromended I get it, and told me it drops from some Carnero in South Gustaberg. I went to where all the sheeps were, killed those for about 30 mins.... I was watching TV, and just sorta on automatic killing every sheep I saw. I attacked one, then noticed it didn't die in 1 hit. It did far less than the other attacks did. I look at it, and sure enough, Carnero! ^^ Killed in a few hits (32WAR), and got the blade. Might I note that it was right after night had fallen, if that helps anyone.

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Took 40 minutes.
1/1 attempts.
About 20-some sheep killed before it.


....and now I have a craving for chicken nuggets. O___O
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# Apr 29 2006 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so I was lvling whm in Gustaberg for a sub to my DRG. I was on the second level of Vomp Hill and I saw this sheep that was bigger than the rest called Carnero. I looked it up here on Alla and saw it was lvl 11-12. I tried to take it with my lvl 9 WHM and died rather quickly, so I HP'ed, changed jobs to my 26DRG, and came back out hoping he was still there, after about 3 minutes of searching I found him again and swiftly took him down. I got the katana so it should be very useful when i need to lvl SAM sub for my DRG.

Edited, Sat Apr 29 19:29:22 2006
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# Apr 27 2006 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Well after eeading this I'm gonna get it. sounds cool.
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Can't be sold
# Apr 18 2006 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Since it's rare/ex it can't be sold.
Worth?
# Apr 16 2006 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi

I was farming up on Vomp hill with my level 13blm when I saw something called "Carnero". So, stupid me tried to fight it and got killed. I raced back with my level 28war because I wanted to see what he would drop and he did this sword. How much is it worth to sell? I am in dire need of gil and I am not sure how much this would be worth. I don't want to just throw it away, but I'd be willing to sell it in my bazaar or something. Thanks for the help!

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# Apr 06 2006 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
im lvl 30 WAR/13 WHM with BST and PLD im going to get this sword no matter how long it takes. just because this sword looks hot as hell im going to get it then doing the quest for SAM
Life Span
# Mar 21 2006 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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So how long does this last for exactly? At what lvl should you upgrade to a different GK?
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RE: Life Span
# Apr 07 2006 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I used my Katayama all the way up to level 20, when I switched to a Gunromaru (DMG: 33).

Some people might switch to a Nodachi at level 16 since it has DMG: 30 compared to the Katayama's DMG: 28, but for me the STR and DEX bonuses on the Katayama more than made up for that, so I just stuck with the Katayama. Both weapons are pretty close, though, so you can't really go wrong with either one at that level. I just decided to use the nice weapon I already had rather than buy another one. ^^

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# Mar 21 2006 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
Tonight i ran into him for the first time ever with my lvl 9 red mage but he owned me so i came back as a lvl 20 thf and owned him. This katana is total ownage and it will replace my lvl 12 +1 sword.
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# Mar 18 2006 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Same post in the Sheep's section. Pure luck. I had just zoned out of Bastok Markets, my Paladin friend was going to PL my BST to 10. Soon as we go out, some person zoned this mob. I checked it and it conned Impossible to Gauge. I was partied with my PLer and I was like "omfg KILL IT!" So, the Paladin pwnt it good and the sword dropped. We were like "Hrm?". "Lotted!" lol. I out-lotted him and now I feel bad; but what the hay..we're looking for it as I level. Nice GK, too. Perdy-lookin'.
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Got it
# Mar 02 2006 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
I Was Farming with my 20lvl BLM When I came across this sheep IG, Thought what the hell, Killed it and it dropped the Katayama, Didn't know what the hell it was, But now Im keeping it.
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RE: Got it
# Mar 04 2006 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you mean that if you say drop this Katana can you get it again? The answer to that would be yes.
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#cloudlyon, Posted: Feb 27 2006 at 3:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i was omw to camp leapin lizzy and was using rng as my sub for rdm and i looked and saw the weird name and i didnt think of it so i went up and saw it and i fought it after 20 secs of fightin i got drop so i went and got sam same day got it to 10 i equipted it and my dmg went from 27 to 43 and i was like ???? this is a great wepon i really sujjest campin it if you lvl sam
#cloudlyon, Posted: Feb 27 2006 at 3:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i was omw to camp leapin lizzy and was using rng as my sub for rdm and i looked and saw the weird name and i didnt think of it so i went up and saw it and i fought it after 20 secs of fightin i got drop so i went and got sam same day got it to 10 i equipted it and my dmg went from 27 to 43 and i was like ???? this is a great wepon i really sujjest campin it if you lvl sam
how quick?
# Feb 03 2006 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
this was great... i read the post and i thought "hey im gonna go camp carnero for it" i get up there and i see someone fighting it, i thought damnit but he just said.. "do u need the katana?" of course i did so he invited me and there was the drop. easy and quick ^^
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# Jan 23 2006 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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this great katana is good till 16 but to get its a pain i ran up both hills to get it and spent 3 hours to get it but i highly recemend this great katana to all samurai
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# Jan 06 2006 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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This sword is definatly one of the best ones to find. It will actually last you well until you're rdy to pt in kazham. It's so great and perfer for sam. They need STR and DEX so it's perfect. It's a must have for all low lvl sam especially since you will miss a lot. GET THIS SWORD!
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About attack
# Jan 05 2006 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen people saying that this katana is better all the way through 20 by virtue of attack alone, but what you need to realize is that changing weapons doesn't affect attack. The only reason the attack for this is +1 is because of the little STR boost. You can swap between a DMG:1 and DMG: 33 weapon, and your attack will not change.

Attack is affected by +STR, +ATK, and your actual skill level with the weapon. Don't be fooled by the number for Attack, it isn't the only thing determining damage.
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RE: About attack
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OK...but what you need to realize is using Vorpal Blade with an Onion Sword sucks, so obviously the weapon has something to do with it. I usually nail a VB for about 450+ on a TW/EP, yet with weaker swords I'm very lucky to break 100.

I tested this theory as a naked 62PLD in Ghelsba Outpost while waiting for a BCNM group to arrive. With a Longsword, the damage was simply horrid. When I re-equipped my Gluttony Sword, the damage went back up to where it should be. I've tested this on seperate occasions with a club, dagger, greatsword, scythe, and great axe.

Now, a minor change in base damage might not make that noticeable a change ( like a level 10 katana vs. a level 16 ), but believe me when I say that the bigger the difference in base damage, the bigger the difference in damage output.
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RE: About attack
# Jul 12 2006 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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There is a big difference between attack and damage. It doesn't matter what lvl the sword is, your skill is the same, and unless the sword has a +att or +dex, the att will be the same. On the other had, the damage will be vastly different, as you said.
RE: About attack
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ok then u go get a lvl 70+ great axe and a lvl one dagger, nothing changes but the base attack right? im sure ull notice a difference. im not trying to put u down or anything but thats very, very false. i have a blau dolch, and in case u dont know the latent effect (DMG 28) is active under 100% TP and during WS. when u hit 100% TP the base dmg becomes 22 and ill go from hitting for 40-80+ on criticals to 20-50. base dmg makes a huge difference.

and btw, this katana rocks. my buddy got it today for his lvl 11 SAM. he was hitting for 60ish dmg in DUNES. i think hes got sum merits into STR from his DRK but either way, tanking against him was hopeless lol.

Edited, Sun Feb 26 21:28:32 2006
How long to use this wonderful weapon?
# Dec 29 2005 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I got this wonderful weapon when my SAM was level 9 and have been using it since I hit level 10. It really does make a difference when fighting!

I'm just wondering when does it "run out of steam?" At what level should I look at upgrading to another weapon and in your opinion what should that weapon be?

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Love it.
# Dec 16 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
I got the pop, after about 20 mins of killing sheep.

I tried it out, and was hitting EP's for damage in the 70's range. I'd say it's totally worth the camp.
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# Dec 16 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
double post. my Bad.

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Sorry my computer lagged up. I posted like 3 times accidently... forgive me?

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nm drop
# Dec 11 2005 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah i was lvling a mule and saw carnero impossible to gauge so i tried killing it with 300% tp hit it for 50 with hard slash on my war and still had to use mighty strikes now i have to lvl up my elvann war to 30 so i can do quest to weild this beautiful peice of weaponry

Got it
# Oct 21 2005 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I logged back on after the emergency maintenance ran over to Vomp Hill to get this sucker. Ran around the 2nd level of hill 2 times around and by the 3rd time there Carnero was! About 15 secs later the prized Katayama Ichimonji was mine! As with all other threads I think this has a 100% drop rate.
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Katayama
# Sep 16 2005 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I got this awhile back. Camped for 10 minutes, Carneo spawned, I killed it and got drop *of course*. I'm 22 at the moment and i still use it. It's better than the katana at lvl 20 by one attack if you try em both on.

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Worth it
# Aug 18 2005 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I got this. sadly i'm a 52 Sam, but the stats....are DAMN worth it
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Nice GKT
# Aug 15 2005 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh I got bored and decided to get this. I camped this for around 30 min, killing every single sheep I saw. RNG sub is cool but its not nessessary. The GKT droped seems to be 100% like everyone saids. hehe cool GKT to have
Sheepish Antics...
# Aug 04 2005 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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This definitely looks like a lotto spawn, and I'm very grateful it is a RARE/EX. I (lvl 50 RDM) was out farming in South Gustaberg for various items by training a crapload of sheeps, gobs, bees, bats and whatever else spawns on the hill when I saw in the log "Carneros hit for x damage." I was like "WTH is a Carnero?" I tab keyed around and there was this... sheep...I quickly dispatched it with a few spells and a couple swings of my Degen (it was already half-dead from my Blaze Spikes... ROFL) and the Katana dropped... I was like schuweet! Stats looks good on this li'l beauty... and not a single gil-seller was in sight looking for this thing. Later on I talked with some ppl on the hill and they had been wiped by this thing... at least I managed to avenged them as well... heh. Maybe I should make a run at Lizzy again now that the boots are Rare...

I am now tempted to do the SAM quest just so I can use this li'l beauty and show off to all the ppl out in Valkurm... ROFL.
NM and Great Katana
# Jul 24 2005 at 12:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, I just got my Katayama Ichimonji Today, and i'm going to share everything that I know about it.
First off, getting to the NM.
Carnero is easy enough to get to, being in South Gustaburg on the second level of Vamp hill. As of all of the other posts i've read, he seems to only pop on the second level. I camped him for well over 30 minutes, however, as 43monk with Ranger subbed for Widescan. Widescan is helpful when there aren't many other campers, because it allows you to cover the entire I-9 I-8 range for Carnero's spawn. Although many believe it to be a 30 minute respawn, I feel that it is most definately a lottery pop, 30 minutes - 1 hour plus. I was there for at least an hour searching for mine, and I don't see that anyone else could have killed it, unless they were very lucky and it spawned right in front of them, and they were strong enough to kill it in a few hits :P When I got there, there was a 75Rdm/Nin and a 54Pld/War, both hunting for the NM. The Rdm and I were both hunting Ornery Sheep in the "intersection" of paths, lower I-9, second level of Vamp. We chatted abit, but then he went to the center of the path and didn't move, or attack any other mobs. The Paladin drifted off somewhere, didn't see him leave, and I continued to kill everything. After 45 minutes, the Rdm D/Ced, and I screamed like a little fat kid eating cupcakes. He never came back on, and I constantly checked widescan for Carnero. After about the 70th check, lol, I see his name on widescan, > Track > Run > Attack! I got him with no competition around. He died before I was able to fire off a Raging Fists lol. I was exstatic when I saw the item's name on my screen. Carnero popped at 9:53, in the top portion of I-9, right where other Ornery sheep spawned. The sword itself is very nice, incredible. Luckily, my Samurai job is level 10, so I ran into my mog house to equip it, and it is lovely^ ^ The stats are Lv. 10 Samurai, DMG: 28 450 Delay STR+1 DEX+1 I think i'm going to have to level Samurai now lol. I also have two pictures of my character with Katayama Ichimonji equipped, one a fashion shot, one of it in action wooping an easy prey turtle's ass, its very cool. If anyone would like to see the pics, email me at stufiscul@aol.com Ill send either or both^ ^ If you have any questions about the NM or the sword you can email them to me too, im glad to help any way I can. Good luck to all of you who try to get this beauty^ ^ /cheer!
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# Jul 21 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
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You have to be near Bastok to get it... XD
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They pretty much had to make this one a rare/ex. It's too easy, too close to a city and too good a piece of equipment to have it otherwise. They probably wouldn't sell for much if it wasn't because of how many people would be camping the NM.
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100% drop rate i think
# Jul 20 2005 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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as far as i can tell, this is 100%, it's lotto off the sheeps i think. within 30minutes, myself and a ninja camping it for his sam each killed the thing and we both got the drop (neither using thf sub)
Got it
# Jul 20 2005 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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10hrs ago Carnero poped, killed and got the katana, maybe is 100% drop?

Dmg is very nice, i hit as drk's in dunes, is awesome till 16.
re: nm item
# Jul 20 2005 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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WHy would gil sellers camp a rare/ex?
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RE: re: nm item
# Jul 20 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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That's the point. I think he's saying that more NM items should be Rare/Ex so that gil sellers don't camp them, and people that actually want the item can get it.
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RE: re: nm item
# Jul 20 2005 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Its not just to stop gil sellers, but gil buyers as well. This is just another testiment that the best items in this game cant be bought, only earned. Hopefully, with more items like this, people will me more inclined to get up and hunt their grar rather than buy gil.
re: nm item
# Jul 20 2005 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Just acquired it, too. The extra dex and str is very well welcomed. I posted a little information about getting it in the Carnero thread.
proper nm item
# Jul 20 2005 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
this item is a proper nm item u wont get dumb gilsellers camping this beauty

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